Tenderfoot and other ranks

[Jameson76 1484]

For none of these ranks does it say how far away from home, etc the camp should be.  If they meet the requirement, then sure

 

For Tenderfoot the requirments

 

Camping and Outdoor Ethics 1a. Present yourself to your leader, prepared for an overnight camping trip. Show the personal and camping gear you will use. Show the right way to pack and carry it. 1b. Spend at least one night on a patrol or troop^[1] campout. Sleep in a tent you have helped pitch. 1c. Tell how you practiced the Outdoor Code on a campout or outing

 

Cooking 2a. On the campout, assist in preparing one of the meals. Tell why it is important for each patrol member to share in meal preparation and cleanup. 2b. While on a campout, demonstrate an appropriate method of safely cleaning items used to prepare, serve, and eat a meal. 2c. Explain the importance of eating together as a patrol

 

For Second Class

 

Camping and Outdoor Ethics 1a. Since joining Boy Scouts, participate in five separate troop/patrol^[1] activities, at least three of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least two must include overnight camping. These activities do not include troop or patrol^[1] meetings. On campouts, spend the night in a tent that you pitch or other structure that you help erect, such as a lean-to, snow cave, or tepee. 1a. On Aug 1, 2017, this requirement will become: Since joining Boy Scouts, participate in five separate troop/patrol activities, at least three of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least two must include overnight camping. These activities do not include troop or patrol meetings. On campouts, spend the night in a tent that you pitch or other structure that you help erect, such as a lean-to, snow cave, or tepee. 1b. Explain the seven principles of Leave No Trace and tell how you practiced them on a campout or outing. This outing must be different from the one used for "Tenderfoot requirement 1c". 1c. On one of these campouts, select a location for your patrol site and recommend it to your patrol leader, senior patrol leader, or troop^[1] guide. Explain what factors you should consider when choosing a patrol site and where to pitch a tent.

 

Cooking and Tools 2a. Explain when it is appropriate to use a fire for cooking or other purposes and when it would not be appropriate to do so. 2b. Use the tools listed in Tenderfoot requirement 3d to prepare tinder, kindling, and fuel wood for a cooking fire. 2c. At an approved outdoor location and time, use the tinder, kindling, and fuel wood from "Second Class requirement 2b" to demonstrate how to build a fire. Unless prohibited by local fire restrictions, light the fire. After allowing the flames to burn safely for at least two minutes, safely extinguish the flames with minimal impact to the fire site. 2e. On one campout, plan and cook one hot breakfast or lunch, selecting foods from MyPlate or the current USDA nutritional model. Explain the importance of good nutrition. Demonstrate how to transport, store, and prepare the foods you selected.  

For First Class

 

Camping and Outdoor Ethics 1a. Since joining Boy Scouts, participate in 10 separate troop/patrol^[1] activities, at least six of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least three must include overnight camping. These activities do not include troop or patrol meetings. On campouts, spend the night in a tent that you pitch or other structure that you help erect, such as a lean-to, snow cave, or tepee. 1a. On Aug 1, 2017, this requirement will become: Since joining Boy Scouts, participate in 10 separate troop/patrol activities, at least six of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least three must include overnight camping. These activities do not include troop or patrol meetings. On campouts, spend the night in a tent that you pitch or other structure that you help erect, such as a lean-to, snow cave, or tepee. 1b. Explain each of the principles of Tread Lightly! and tell how you practiced them on a campout or outing. This outing must be different from the ones used for Tenderfoot requirement 1c and Second Class requirement 1b.

 

Cooking 2a. Help plan a menu for one of the above campouts that includes at least one breakfast, one lunch, and one dinner, and that requires cooking at least two of the meals. Tell how the menu includes the foods from MyPlate or the current USDA nutritional model and how it meets nutritional needs for the planned activity or campout. 2b. Using the menu planned in First Class requirement 2a, make a list showing a budget and the food amounts needed to feed three or more boys. Secure the ingredients. 2c. Show which pans, utensils, and other gear will be needed to cook and serve these meals. 2d. Demonstrate the procedures to follow in the safe handling and storage of fresh meats, dairy products, eggs, vegetables, and other perishable food products. Show how to properly dispose of camp garbage, cans, plastic containers, and other rubbish. 2e. On one campout, serve as cook. Supervise your assistant(s) in using a stove or building a cooking fire. Prepare the breakfast, lunch, and dinner planned in First Class requirement 2a. Supervise the cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[qwazse 4344]

From @@Jameson76's long (though understandable considering National Advancement Team's rapid cycle of requirement revisions) paste, I gather one significant stipulation: "patrol or troop campout."

 

This leads me to infer that "where" is not as important as "who with" and "how." My favorite youth-preparation model is an iterative planning cycle where

1. The PL/SPL after conferring with his patrol/PLC presents a tour plan to the SM,
2. The SM reviews and either approves, or identifies any thing that should be included in the plan (e.g., named chaperon's/drivers, insertion/extraction times, equipment needs, objectives, safety, etc...)
3. PL/SPL either implements the approved plan or consults with his patrol/PLC to revise the plan and return to step 1.

Different program planning and leadership materials (as well as knowledge from the troop committee and experience with these boys to date) guide the SM in identifying a good plan from a poor one. So, for some units, the meeting place is automatically to not be part of any plan. For others, it may be expected to be part of one or more plans a year.

 

What are the implications of this?

• Obviously, some meeting places provide an ideal outdoor place for a New Scout Patrol to put in their plan. Others, not so much. But we strangers on the internet have no say in that. The definition of "ideal" is at the SM's discretion, with input from the committee.
• If there is no planning and SM review when crossovers set up a tent, be it outside the meeting place or in the heart of a federal wilderness recreation area -- it shouldn't count.
• One might also want to consider that if adults hijack the entire planning process, it might not be "in spirit" a troop camp-out. But that is entirely unfair to a young scout who would not know any better -- even after a thorough read of the current handbook.

So, in spite of HHJJ sounding like he'd want a general answer, and @@Jameson76 correctly points out that nothing is written against it, the truth is, no general answer is available. Any specific answer hinges on a scouter's discretion in approving plans for "troop/patrol" activities.

Edited October 31, 2017 by qwazse

[NJCubScouter 1389]

• One might also want to consider that if adults hijack the entire planning process, it might not be "in spirit" a troop camp-out. But that is entirely unfair to a young scout who would not know any better -- even after a thorough read of the current handbook.

Not to mention that your average 10.5 or 11 year old probably doesn't even know how the trip was planned or how the site was selected, or who did it. They were asked "Do you want to go to x" and they decided they did, cleared it with their parents, obtained the required fee, if any, and signed up. If one is lucky, they have read the Tenderfoot requirements so they know they are supposed to present themself to their leader, prepared for the trip. And they actually do it. If one is lucky.

Edited October 31, 2017 by NJCubScouter

[Stosh 3452]

One of my former troops had land around it that the boys were allowed to camp anytime they wished.  Of course with double railroad tracks with a crossing 40' away, they never did use it.  The train whistles were spaced apart every 15-30 minutes or so kept the boys further into the woods.