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What do you mean by "men" and "manly"?

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I am amazed if some of you have a school district paying for ANYTHING!

 

There are grants available. It doesn't usually come out of the regular budget.

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I think this is an unfair comparison - your keys words here are "Funded by school district".  Let me make that even clearer - funded by taxpayers.  This puts the school district at an unfair advantage, wouldn't you say?  The school district just simply spends taxpayer dollars on these trips.  No need for fundraising if you can just collect taxes from everyone and spend it as you see fit.

 

In the meantime, the Boy Scouts have to go out and fundraise - even for a "much leaner and meaner outdoor leadership and adventure experience".  They can't just tax entire towns to pay for this. 

 

How do you propose that the BSA become leaner and meaner?  What is the lesson they should be learning?  What can they do to lower the costs of Scouting?  How can they compete with a school district that can collect taxes?

 

As a former school board member, I have to respond to the idea that a school district "can just collect taxes from everyone and spend it as you see fit." I can only speak from my experience in one school district in one state, but I can't imagine that my school district is unique.  In New Jersey, there are caps on increases in taxes (which result in limitations on spending.)  About 70% of the annual school budget is salaries and benefits, which are negotiated, and then there are fixed costs such as insurance, utilities, etc.  This does not leave a lot of room for sports and clubs.  About five years ago my district adopted an "activity fee" that the students have to pay to participate in sports and clubs.  It only accounts for about 10% of the combined cost of the activities, but it is something.  Every extracurricular activity involves some sort of fundraising to pay for what the school district doesn't.  And then there are some things that are completely on the parents (and fundraising) - when my son's robotics team went to the national championship in Atlanta, the cost of air fare, hotel etc. was paid for by the families, with some subsidy from fundraising. So the idea that the school district is simply going to pay for everything without any contribution from the families, or any fundraising, does not square with my experience.

 

Added note:  And when a new club is started, it usually has to be self-funding, and the faculty adviser is a volunteer, for at least the first couple of years.  I remember a big battle over funding the then-new ice hockey team.  I would say it was probably 4 or 5 years before the school district funded that. 

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As a current school board trustee, the idea that the taxpayer has no say is also incorrect. As an elected trustee, their voice is carried through mine. Second, all budgets are voted upon by the community... the only budget anyone gets to vote on, and thirdly the community gets a direct voice by participating in the community forums, and committees which put the budget together. When it comes to school taxes and budget, the taxpayer has a greater voice than they do compared to just about every other governmental agency.

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That doesn't state what you think it does.

 

Even if what you infer turns out to be correct, that "similar=same," then, as you quoted in the other thread:

 

It will be up to local Cub Scout Packs, parents and chartered partners to choose...

 

 

Nothing in any way suggests that this decision is compulsory. COs and Troops are not required to change.

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That doesn't state what you think it does.

 

Even if what you infer turns out to be correct, that "similar=same," then, as you quoted in the other thread:

 

 

Nothing in any way suggests that this decision is compulsory. COs and Troops are not required to change.

 

By placing no hard fast rule against co-ed Troops, there is blatant lying going on... I was told point blank by execs both in my Council as well as CSE, "NO CO-ED IN BOY SCOUTS".  

 

So now you the hinting at a local option at the 11-18 level... which allows for pressure to exerted... give it 5 years, all Troops will be co-ed.  if this is not evident, it's a beautiful dream I'd love to get in on. 

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