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23 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

@Col. Flagg

 

How would they 'fold' Venturing? Allow Scouts to go past 18?

Well, according to this one group of folks they'd simply either move youth to their gender-appropriate units or install the Boy Scout rank system in to Venturing. Didn't hear how they'd handle 18-21 year olds who want Eagle.

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2 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

I hope Venturing, as well as Sea Scouts, do not go away. Had a conversation with the hoodlums. They are not happy with the way things are going with the troop. Part of me wants to start a crew.

@Eagle94-A1, welcome to the dark side! Although the challenge with "hooldums" in your situation that I've seen is that that they've been helicoptered so much that the leadership skills they need to start a crew have not developed.

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Well, according to this one group of folks they'd simply either move youth to their gender-appropriate units or install the Boy Scout rank system in to Venturing. Didn't hear how they'd handle 18-21 year olds who want Eagle.

I'd be happy if they phased out allowing venturers to advance to Eagle in their crews. I'd refer any disgruntled customers to NESA to petition that they promote the Summit award as much as they do their traditional shibboleth-of-bling.

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I'm tired of the helicopter parents. After the  wanting of a guarantee that nothing will happen to their Scout, a veiled threat to several of us at the meeting,  I don't want anything to do with the helicopters or their sons.  My house, which has hosted several troop functions, is no longer available after an incident at the Christmas party at my house. And my sons are not to have anything to do with the helicopters, nor their children.  A conversation I will be having with the SM Monday.

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Venturing is going to go away except for maybe college town units.  There really isn't much call for post-high school groups that treat the members like children and need to be monitored with adult supervision at an expense to the members.

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38 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

Did I miss an installment?

Incident at Christmas party was brought to the SM's attention, and mine, Monday night. Scout was doing something he was not suppose to be doing. He says my son punched him in the back and told him to stop, while son says he slapped in on the back to get his attention and tell him to stop.

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Yes. I didn't know anything about it until Monday, 3 weeks after the fact. Interesting thing was there were multiple signs my youngest posted saying do not touch.

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29 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

Did he stop?

Good question :)  Was it effective?????  LOL.

One of the parents in my son's therapy group has a story of her son who hit another kid. He told the kid to stop a few times, then said, stop, or I'm going to hit you, the other kid didn't stop, the lady's son hit the other kid, and THE KID STOPPED.  So her kid learned his method was effective. Her kid didn't get into trouble at school either, because he warned the kid -- stop or I will hit you.  LOL. Sorry, it's only funny when it's not your own kid.  

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Walking away from poorly run programs is an easy task to do.

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30 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

It is very tempting. Part of me feel obligated to my Scouts to keep pushing though.

They just keep coming, you'll always feel that way whether it be today or 10 years from now.

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34 minutes ago, Stosh said:

They just keep coming, you'll always feel that way whether it be today or 10 years from now.

 

Don't know. I have no connection with one batch of Scouts, and I don't want any with them either. If we keep getting more like them, and their parents, I can see myself leaving.

 

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4 hours ago, Tampa Turtle said:

Well I have told the story at a campfire with some older scouts but I get you. Moving on.

Yes let's move back to the topic -  scouter frustration with Scouting to the point where "giving up" is being discussed.

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....actually is was son quitting scouts and scouter was frustrated anyway....

but I don't see harm in the subject drift.  that's the way conversations flow naturally.

If it was a specific question to be answered specifically then drift may not be so appropriate, but it was just a rant....bantering around this virtual campfire....

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