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The point above is true. I am a recent Eagle and a college student. I get weird looks from parents when I try to volunteer and help or be involved with scouts. Thank God there's Venturing. The whole situation makes me feel like I've done something wrong when all I want to do is help. I don't feel welcome anymore and that's depressing.

I'm a little less recent Eagle. Been a Troop volunteer through college and now as a "real" adult. It's about gaining trust. At 24 nobody involved in the Troop questions my involvement like they did when I was 18 or 19.


I imagine if I changed Troops it would become an issue again. When I leave my troop I'm done with troop level volunteering till I have kids of my own.

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If you add girls to the mix, the level of paranoia will increase. And the worry is that the rules to compensate for the fear will make it that much harder for any adventure to take place.


I get that. I have a daughter myself and have a minor panic attack every time I think of the rate of sexual assault on college campuses...


But, no one is forcing girls to join. Seems to me that if girls want to be in an environment where it is 99% boy and where the adult leaders are 99% men, then two things:


1. They likely have a mom or dad that is already active in scouts.


2. They have a mom or dad that will be willing to be a volunteer in scouts to alleviate any of their concerns.


If I had a fear of an organization, I doubt I would be very interested in my daughter even applying for membership. I think it highly likely that the majority of girls that would apply for membership have already self (and parent) selected in such a manner that they are not overly concerned about the gender dynamics.

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I read nothing into your post. You focused on training and then asked me about the slippery slope. You are making this discussion to personal to your more specific interest of applying one of the eight methods. I was speaking more about using a specific method to drive the program. My point, once again, is use adventure to drive the program. Not advancement.




Training doesn't drive the program, and that is not what I said. I said it is a focus, as other other things. In addition, I said it was the scouts focus on training, through doing and having fun.


But adventure doesn't drive our program either. The scouts drive our program through their plans. Sometimes they plan adventure, sometimes training, sometimes it is something else. Regardless, they drive the program.


If letting them drive is a slippery slope then I'll just have to grab my axe and crampons.


On top of that BP was pro training, so once again, I am good with being on that slippery slope.

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