Figit spinners

[mashmaster 783]

So the scouts are starting to bring them to meetings and campouts.  I am thinking of banning them from the meetings as they seem to be a distraction.  I know there is a basis for them with ADHD, what how y'all done in your troops?

[Chadamus 100]

I chaperoned a school trip recently where a student had one. It was definitely a distraction to several other students. I have yet to see a Scout with one.

[T2Eagle 902]

Like almost anything else, blanket rules probably aren't the smart way to go.  If kids are using them as just another toy to play with ask them to put them away.  For kids (and some adults) with ADHD or anxiety, they're going to be unconsciously doing something with their hands, whether it's tapping, or biting their nails, or running outside for a smoke anyway.  For them it's not going to be a toy or something they're using to interract with other folks, it's going to be all inwardly focused.   You can ask them to put them away at critical times, like when saying the Pledge, Oath, or Law, and at other times it shouldn't significantly affect them or those around them.

[Back Pack 431]

Talk to your PLC. Discuss why they are used. Let the PLC make an educated decision. Guide them with knowledge. Remind them that, unlike phones or iPods or other items that are distractions, these devices are to help people cope.

[jwest09 51]

Better yet, let the PLC initiate the conversation.  Are the scouts unable to direct their peers' behavior, or are they already handling it effectively on their own?

[NJCubScouter 1389]

I have actually never seen or heard of these things.  Or, now that I have looked them up, I guess I have seen one but it was not "in use" so I did not know what it was for.  Do they make noise when they are being used?

[Stosh 3452]

They are not supposed to make noise.  The intention of the item is to focus attention, not make noise.  People who drum fingers or pencils, click pens, etc. are those that need one.

[Back Pack 431]

Better yet, let the PLC initiate the conversation.  Are the scouts unable to direct their peers' behavior, or are they already handling it effectively on their own?

 

Are you suggesting that scouts should be re-directing the kids using the cubes behavior?

 

The cube is designed to replace other distracting behavior like humming, legging shaking, tapping, etc. I am not sure using the cube is any less distracting than those behaviors. I was always told to wiggle my toes in my shoes. That helped and was less distracting for those around me. My sister has anxiety issues and that is a totally different issue to address and should not be addressed by scouts. That's an adult leader and parent issue so coping mechanisms can be discussed.

[jwest09 51]

Are you suggesting that scouts should be re-directing the kids using the cubes behavior?

 

The cube is designed to replace other distracting behavior like humming, legging shaking, tapping, etc. I am not sure using the cube is any less distracting than those behaviors. I was always told to wiggle my toes in my shoes. That helped and was less distracting for those around me. My sister has anxiety issues and that is a totally different issue to address and should not be addressed by scouts. That's an adult leader and parent issue so coping mechanisms can be discussed.

 

Not exactly.  I'm suggesting that we give our youth leaders the opportunity to identify problems and bring them to our attention - not the other way around.  Its general advice, and not specific to ADHD or these figit spinners.

 

I'm suggesting that if the youth leadership isn't experiencing difficulty in achieving their goals and in leading their troop and patrols, then we shouldn't jump to solving a problem which we as adults perceive to exist, but the youth do not.

 

Now, in the event that the youth leadership does express concern about these devices, and looks for guidance on what action they should take - then, yes, I fully agree with all of your points.

 

Edit: And I should add, if we do observe the youth leadership inappropriately directing their peers' behavior (perhaps because they do not understand or are not sensitive to conditions such as ADHD), then of course I would suggest mentoring the leadership, bringing up the valid points that you mention.  My point is that we should give them the opportunity to correctly handle the situation, not automatically assume that they will handle it incorrectly.

Edited April 28, 2017 by jwest09

[Back Pack 431]

Edit: And I should add, if we do observe the youth leadership inappropriately directing their peers' behavior (perhaps because they do not understand or are not sensitive to conditions such as ADHD), then of course I would suggest mentoring the leadership, bringing up the valid points that you mention.  My point is that we should give them the opportunity to correctly handle the situation, not automatically assume that they will handle it incorrectly.

 

I agree up to this point. There are times you need to equip the youth leaders with the background on an issue they may not fully understand, along with the tools or tricks to deal with them. I would hate to let the youth leader attempt to address an issue such as this and have a negative issue result. If it is a kid with a known case of ADD/ADHD, Aspergers or anxiety issues, the last thing you want is the youth leaders trying to handle something they are not trained for...or maybe even sensitive to. I suffered from this as a kid and the last thing I would have wanted were my friends trying to manage me.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Back Pack

[jwest09 51]

Sure, I can get behind that.  We should be proactive in equipping our youth leadership to be successful.  I think it comes down to gauging the overall maturity and experience of the particular youth you are working with.  

Edited April 28, 2017 by jwest09

[krikkitbot 71]

Let kids be kids, for crying out loud. Scouts in our area are making them themselves. Some they are 3D printing and talking about how they do it. Some others are carving them out of wood. Like all fads, this too shall pass. 

[Back Pack 431]

Sure, I can get behind that. We should be proactive in equipping our youth leadership to be successful. I think it comes down to gauging the overall maturity and experience of the particular youth you are working with.

 

Imagine you have anxiety issues. The last thing you want is some kid you go to school with confronting you, making you more self conscious about your ticks and making the situation worse. Better to have the parents and scoutmaster talk and discuss ways to help. This isn't a boy led issue. This is a medical condition which falls under the adult area for management. Edited April 28, 2017 by Back Pack

[qwazse 4342]

Seems like something I should assign a few of our adults to make and use.

[jwest09 51]

Imagine you have anxiety issues.

 

There was a time when I didn't even have to imagine ;-)  But I think you are right, there is a time and a place for adults to proactively educate youth leadership on issues such as these. There's also a time and a place for observing how youth leadership addresses these issues, and recognizing if they are doing an adequate job without our meddling.  The youth are often more tuned in than adults are to these types of things.  If the youth are correctly handling the situation, I see no need to guide the PLC in forming any sort of policy.  its quite possible that they don't even see this as an issue at all, and would scratch their heads at why the adults are talking themselves in circles about it ;-)