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Can a Council take over a tree stand?

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""Follow the money""

 

The issue here has been and will be where the money to run Scouting comes from.  The Unit (Pack, Troop, Crew, Ship)  will need some corporate money for patches, camp fees, boat maintenance, etc.  The Council needs money for salaries , camp maintenance,  property taxes (if any),  Xerox repairs, etc.

 

If the Unit sells Popcorn, the Council gets a share by contract.  If the Unit sells Christmas trees or Hannakah  candles or canned peanuts or flag pole rental, the Council gets naught ,save for the Unit's charity and thoughtfulness. Hence the "begging" of FoS, and  Foremost Eagle Dinners and such.

 

Districts are all volunteer (!) and must operate their activities under the Council fiscal imprimatur on a "cash" basis, zero accounting.  Pity the poor CSDC Director that actually shows an overage in the black, no "free " pizza parties for the Staff, if the Council  Program Director is under pressure to show a (shudder) profit.

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That's it?  A bland "we met with the DE and the issue is resolved"?  No details?  Now how the heck are we supposed to know if our high dudgeon was worth it?

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That's it?  A bland "we met with the DE and the issue is resolved"?  No details?  Now how the heck are we supposed to know if our high dudgeon was worth it?

 

That's about as high drama as the meeting was.

DE: "Do you want to do this as a District activity?"

Committee: "No"

DE: "Ok, next agenda item."

 

Like I said, I think the people who told us the district wanted to take over were reading too much into it. 

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God needed Ten Commandments.  BSA needs hundreds.  Makes it tough to teach "health and safety" at IOLS with a straight face.

 

What legal commentators know is that excessive numbers of rules damages respect for all rules.  Our latest program guy at council dumped the camp "127 Thou Shall Nots" accumulated by his (fired)  predecessor in favor of the Oath and Law !  Just one of the many steps he took to totally turn around the summer camp program from near death to filled to capacity in four years.  Sadly, BSA is trending in the other direction - at high speed.

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Well, maybe the panic of a few weeks ago was warranted. The same Scout DE is wanting this fundraiser that our troop has been planning to be run as a council event in which the council gets to "administer" the proceeds. 

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Well, maybe the panic of a few weeks ago was warranted. The same Scout DE is wanting this fundraiser that our troop has been planning to be run as a council event in which the council gets to "administer" the proceeds. 

 

@@krikkitbot, how can council "take over"? Can't you guys just plan your event and run it? Is council going to show up and take over? How would they realistically do that?

 

Or are they just saying you can't do it?

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Your COR is a voting member of Council.  The DE is a low-level employee of Council  - for the moment.   Have your COR ask the

the DE's supervisor's supervisor what the DE is trying to pull.

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It's a large event that will take about a year of planning to pull off. In previous years, it was put on by a club outside of scouting. They decided not to do it anymore and they offered it to our troop to take it over. Now it sounds like the DE wants other troops involved in the planning. They want registration to go through the council. And, of course, have the proceeds administered and distributed by the council 

 

I'm telling our committee to just pull it out of scouting. Run it as a club event open to scouts and the club will donate the proceeds to our troop. 

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It's a large event that will take about a year of planning to pull off. It was put on by a club outside of scouting and they offer it to our troop to take it over. Now it sounds like the DE wants other troops involved in the planning. They want registration to go through the council. And, of course, have the proceeds administered and distributed by the council 

 

I'm telling our committee to just pull it out of scouting. Run it as a club event open to scouts and the club will donate the proceeds to our troop. 

 

I'd run it as a troop and give the great big middle scout sign finger to district. How can they take it over if your troop is doing the work? They'd literally have to kick you out to do it and they'd have to justify that within the bylaws.

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It's a large event that will take about a year of planning to pull off. In previous years, it was put on by a club outside of scouting. They decided not to do it anymore and they offered it to our troop to take it over. Now it sounds like the DE wants other troops involved in the planning. They want registration to go through the council. And, of course, have the proceeds administered and distributed by the council 

 

I'm telling our committee to just pull it out of scouting. Run it as a club event open to scouts and the club will donate the proceeds to our troop. 

Your strategy goes around the requirement that Council approve all independent Unit fund-raising projects

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Your strategy goes around the requirement that Council approve all independent Unit fund-raising projects

 

But it is no longer a unit fundraiser. It is a group of friends who happen to love our troop and will do all of this work and give it to the scouts in the troop for their needs. 

 

That's my idea, anyway. It's either that or drop the whole thing and let the district do it on their own. 

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So it's a good strategy.  Nothing wrong with avoiding an obstacle as opposed to plowing through it.

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