Breaking Bad ... Scouters

[Krampus 696]

Federal laws override all state laws.

Hmmm...not according to this specific section of the statute. It is written to actually say state and local laws have equal weight providing they don't diminish the baseline set in that section. Article 6 of the Constitution is pretty clear on when federal law supersedes state law.

[Stosh 3452]

In this day and age with law enforcement having a huge target painted on their back, I'm all for these guys packing as much heat as possible regardless of whatever law is in place.  When the dust settles and the off-duty officer is still alive, then we can talk about what the law says.

[Krampus 696]

In this day and age with law enforcement having a huge target painted on their back, I'm all for these guys packing as much heat as possible regardless of whatever law is in place.  When the dust settles and the off-duty officer is still alive, then we can talk about what the law says.

 

I support law enforcement, but we have laws and a Constitution for a reason.

[cyclops 55]

I guess I missed the shift from criminal drug activity in BSA to ramblings about concealed carry.

 But as long as that's where we went, this CO prohibits concealed carry at any time or event. This applies to the congregation as well as the troop and pack. I support their policy.

 

I add: this policy applies to open carry as well, pretty much all firearms at all times. The congregation seems to be solid on this policy as well.

Edited January 13, 2016 by cyclops

[NJCubScouter 1389]

Some people seem surprised that this thread got off-topic. After almost 14 years in this forum, I am more surprised when a thread stays ON-topic.

[Stosh 3452]

There's really not much to discuss about some idiot selling meth out of the scout office.  We're pretty much in agreement that that wasn't really a scout supported activity and had problems with adherence to both YPT and G2SS.  After that we tossed on another log and took the discussion where it wanted to go. 

[RememberSchiff 3661]

He was selling out a troop (not council) building "Scout Hut" across the street from an elementary school therefore faces a first degree felony charge.

 

What alarmed me was the duration of this activity - two years. A troop had an adult leader distributing meth from their troop building/scout hut (btw named for a former scoutmaster) for two years (at least two charter renewals) ...and no one in the troop knew?

 

Our local public schools have random drug sweeps and surveillance cameras, maybe CO's should too? 

 

But If you would rather talk about the unrelated topic of concealed carry, that seems okay here.

Edited January 13, 2016 by RememberSchiff

[Krampus 696]

He was selling out a troop (not council) building "Scout Hut") across the street from an elementary school therefore faces a first degree felony charge.

 

What alarmed me was the duration of this activity - two years. A troop had an adult leader distributing meth from their troop building (btw named for a former scoutmaster) for two years (two charter renewals) ...and no one if the troop knew?

 

Our local public schools have periodic drug sweeps and surveillance cameras, maybe CO's should too? 

 

But If you would rather talk about the unrelated topic of concealed carry, that seems okay here.

 

Guys, not to defame my Texas brethren, but this is Clyde, TX we are talking about. This is a rural farming community smack dab in the middle of Texas. They go to Abilene as their "big city" fun. Sure small towns are hard to keep secrets, but law enforcement in those parts is more speed traps and investigating porch light shoot-outs. I suspect it took the police a while to find out simply because there's likely three guys who are the force there.

 

It took the country sheriff's office to break the case.

[Stosh 3452]

That's quite odd.  Usually small town gossip keeps a pretty close tab on that sort of thing.  One would wonder why it took 2 years and "outsiders" to figure it out.  It might be interesting to eventually find out about the whole inside story. 

[cyclops 55]

LOL, if Clyde, TX is similar to the sleepy agricultural areas I've known over the years, the Sheriff would be getting a cut of the take.

Nice comparison to Abilene. Been there many times. I had a friend once from Waycross, GA (a very sleepy town in south Georgia). We took him to a professional meeting in NYC and from about DC on, he was making comparisons to Waycross (the way we do it in Waycross, our train crossing signals in Waycross, you get the idea). He had never been farther south than Jacksonville, farther West than Atlanta, and farther North than the SC/NC border. We got a lot of laughs out of him, especially his horror on the Cross-Bronx Expressway.

[oldisnewagain1 42]

That's quite odd.  Usually small town gossip keeps a pretty close tab on that sort of thing.  One would wonder why it took 2 years and "outsiders" to figure it out.  It might be interesting to eventually find out about the whole inside story. 

 

That's because the outsiders were looking for a guy called ...  Heisenberg

[Stosh 3452]

I don't know why it took them 2 years to figure it out all they needed to do is swing by the Abner and Gladys Kravitz residence and gotten all the information they needed in about 15 minutes.

 

There's not much to see in a small town, but what you hear makes up for it.

[Krampus 696]

Nothin' to say Pat Green ain't already said. 

[RememberSchiff 3661]

From: http://www.reporternews.com/news/crime/alleged-drug-dealing-scout-volunteer-terminated-after-arrest-29101687-cc59-21e9-e053-0100007ff048-364921971.html

 

Mark Conrad, Texas Trails Council Scout Executive, said Monday that the organization has cut ties with a Scout volunteer reportedly connected with drug distribution in Clyde.

 

The Callahan County Sheriff's Office arrested and charged Bill Cedergren, 52, and charged him with manufacturing/delivery of a controlled substance, following execution of an warrant in the 300 block of Forrest Street on Dec. 30. Deputies discovered about 1.88 grams of methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia including needles, baggies and a scale when they searched Cedergren and inside his pickup parked by the Boy Scout Hut, where he volunteered, which is also across the street from Clyde Elementary School.

 

"Of course the behavior included in these allegations runs counter to everything for which the BSA stands," Conrad, Scout Executive/CEO of the Texas Trails Council of BSA, said in an email. "Upon learning of these reports, we immediately removed this individual and precluded him from any further participation in our programs."

 

He added the BSA is cooperating fully with law enforcement in regards to the allegations against Cedergren who Conrad said was a volunteer and not a hired leader.

"While I cannot comment on findings about specific volunteers, I can tell you that if the criminal background check indicated any previous history of inappropriate behavior, that person would not be allowed to participate in scouting," he said. "Also, it is important to note that these actions are unrelated to scouting. I have reached out to the leaders of the troop and will continue to help them through this matter."

 

Leroy Foley, the lead investigator on the case, said Cedergren has been on the CCSO's radar for a while.

 

"Mr. Cedergren is someone I've had in my scope for quite a long time," he said. "During my investigations, I would get his name dropped here and there. And after, four or five of those accounts, it becomes more credible. So we began to surveil and watch him."

According to Foley, Cedergren's operation had been up for about two years.

 

"During those surveillance times, we'd find him with known drug users and known drug dealers, so that gives more credibility to it," he said. "In truth, if it hadn't been for the situation that Cedergren was in, being so close to an elementary school, it was my belief and the Sheriff's belief that we would let him lead us on and taken him down further down the line, along with some other people."

 

The CCSO has been using an ongoing undercover operation to track Cedergren and others.

 

...

 

CCSO found nothing drug-related inside the building but the search yielded pornographic material in a safe, as well as in the shop .

 

"The porn thing is a surprise to us, we had no idea about any of that," Foley said. "And I don't know if it goes any further than just his personal fetish. I have no facts that children were involved in that or anything at all."

 

So drug distribution and porn at Boy Scout Troop's xxx Scout Hut...

[Stosh 3452]

"The porn thing is a surprise to us, we had no idea about any of that," Foley said. "And I don't know if it goes any further than just his personal fetish. I have no facts that children were involved in that or anything at all."

 

So drug distribution and porn at Boy Scout Troop's xxx Scout Hut...

 

Rememberschiff,

 

I think it would be a bit more family/scout appropriate to word it, "So drug distribution and porn at Boy Scout Troop ### Scout Hut...."   Just thinkin' 

 

It also goes a long way to feel confident in the background checks National is doing.  Next thing you know, we'll all be peeing in a cup at every RT...at least in Pennsylvania.