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Policy Statement From The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod On Scouting

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I am sure the new membership will not look kindly to that song.

 

Graham Chapman seemed OK with it.  He was gay*, you know.

 

(later he amended that to 75%/25% bisexual, favoring males)

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Graham Chapman seemed OK with it.  He was gay, you know.

 

Graham was not an oversensitive, fearmongerer. He was not over-reactionary. He had a helluva sense of humor.

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I remember when I was a scout at summer camp, on skit nights we would usually see multiple Monty Python skits. The most popular of was the Lumberjack Song. I remember one year where there were three renditions by three different troops on the same night (with one ending with the scout in full drag). Not sure how scout appropriate it was, but everyone seemed to love it.

We did varriations of the Spanish Inquisition, the Dead Parrot

and many other (no longer - probably never) appropirate novelty and comedy routines (I personally loved stuff from the Frantics).

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Graham was not an oversensitive, fearmongerer.

 

Fearmongerer, as in "I am sure the new membership will not look kindly to that song"?

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Graham was not an oversensitive, fearmongerer.

Fearmongerer, as in "I am sure the new membership will not look kindly to that song"?[/size]

 

Or perhaps, fearmongerer, as in...

 

Wait a second. I'm pretty sure it's just "fearmonger." Let's start over. (I'm pretty sure I'm stealing this idea from a Monty Python sketch.)

 

Or perhaps, fearmonger, as in all of the dire predictions about what is going to happen to the BSA as a result of this decision that I have been reading for the past couple of weeks. So, BadWolf, ask not for whom the fearmongerering tolls, it tolls for thee.

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Or perhaps, fearmonger, as in all of the dire predictions about what is going to happen to the BSA as a result of this decision that I have been reading for the past couple of weeks. So, BadWolf, ask not for whom the fearmongerering tolls, it tolls for thee.

 

I have no issue with the sketch. Is it scout-appropriate? No. But with all the political correctness run amok in the last 20 years, I try not to get my knickers in a snit about such stuff. 

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I have been ELCA all my life.  I'm pretty sure what their policy will be, since they are ordaining gay clergy.  At least one of those Lutheran "spln-off" groups was in protest to the ELCA's policy on homosexuality.

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I have been ELCA all my life.  I'm pretty sure what their policy will be, since they are ordaining gay clergy.  At least one of those Lutheran "spln-off" groups was in protest to the ELCA's policy on homosexuality.

 

Not just one of the Lutheran "spin off" groups are in protest, they ALL are.  :)  ELCA as been deemed non-Lutheran in their doctrine by all other Lutheran bodies because of their stand on various sexual issues in their teachings.  In the world of "Lutheranism" only the ELCA think they are Lutheran.

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Forwarding from a statement from our council.  The most interesting to me is that Jewish committee has decided to know recommend scouting.  Previously, they were discouraging it top their congregations.

 

Several national committees aligned with major religious chartered organizations have released statements supporting their faith's continued relationship with Scouting:

Association of Baptists for Scouting:
http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/baptist_assoc.pdf

Catholic Committee on Scouting:
http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/catholic_cmte.pdf

General Commission on United Methodist Men:
http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/methodist_commission.pdf

Jewish Committee on Scouting:
http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/jewish_cmte.pdf

 

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Forwarding from a statement from our council.  The most interesting to me is that Jewish committee has decided to know recommend scouting.  Previously, they were discouraging it top their congregations.

 

Several national committees aligned with major religious chartered organizations have released statements supporting their faith's continued relationship with Scouting:

Association of Baptists for Scouting:

http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/baptist_assoc.pdf

Catholic Committee on Scouting:

http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/catholic_cmte.pdf

General Commission on United Methodist Men:

http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/methodist_commission.pdf

Jewish Committee on Scouting:

http://www.bsacac.org/my_files/jewish_cmte.pdf

 

 

 

The Catholic Committee only said Scouting is important. Their statement does nothing to clarify the Church's position on how to go forward. We are seeing that play out in several diocese right now. I would not read it as a confirmation of the local option or acceptance of the BSA policy change.

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None of these statement indicate a long term decision on what BSA has done.  All of these "organizations" do NOT speak on behalf of their religious affiliation, they speak from their small corner of their world associated with scouting.  Until we hear from the general assemblies of the respective religious affiliations, no directives will be given to the specific CO's.  Until that happens, the JURY IS STILL OUT and no amount of statement "evidence" means anything.

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The Catholic Committee only said Scouting is important. Their statement does nothing to clarify the Church's position on how to go forward.

Right, the NCCS doesn't have the authority to state the Church's position -- any opinion that they offer must be understood as a private opinion. To the best of my knowledge they don't even have any episcopal oversight.
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As a devote and God fearing Catholic, the Bishop of Bismark North Dakota reacted emotionally and too much in-the-moment.  

 

He acted in a reactionary way instead of a thoughtful way.  Too much change in too short a time.  

 

I fear this decision is a slap in the face of many of his congregation.  

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