NJCubScouter 1389 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Who is making that argument? And I am not sure what "accepting of lifestyles" means. Really? Sorry, can't help you if you don't know what those who oppose the ban are being asked to do. I don't think anyone is being asked to "accept" anything. The only thing that is being "asked" is that if you are the IH or COR of a non-religious CO, that you do not exclude leaders solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. Link to post Share on other sites
Rick_in_CA 401 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Really? Sorry, can't help you if you don't know what those who oppose the ban are being asked to do. They are being asked to respect the religious faiths of others that believe differently on this issue. You know, follow the scout law? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CalicoPenn 729 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 My Senator, Dick Durbin, Minority Whip has publically said he'd have to "think long and hard" about whether a religious school should maintain their tax-exempt status if they hold employees to a religious code. I don't think it's much of a stretch for lawyers to start parsing the meaning of the word is in order to find justification to destroy whatever they want destroyed. And if you really follow politics, you know that is politic speak for "this isn't on my radar, and I doubt this issue is going to come up in a serious way but I know these words will appease the person who asked me about my stance on this without committing myself to any position" Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) They are being asked to respect the religious faiths of others that believe differently on this issue. You know, follow the scout law? But is that a two-way street? Or just some sort of one-way blind alley? PCism is never a two-way street, either you get into lock-step or you are vilified. Edited August 1, 2015 by Stosh Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 But is that a two-way street? Or just some sort of one-way blind alley? It was a one-way blind alley until Monday. Now it's a two-way street. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Well, that's one opinion, I'm sure others have theirs as well. Link to post Share on other sites
SeattlePioneer 144 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 << Since BSA is easing membership restrictions can we PLEASE lobby for them to ease up on beer at summer camp? Nothing's better than a nice micro-brew after a 10 mile hike in the Rockies. And I am pretty sure we could get a MUCH larger number of BSA members to support THAT policy change.>> Maybe you can get the USSC to mandate that under the 21st Amendment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
qwazse 4342 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 << Since BSA is easing membership restrictions can we PLEASE lobby for them to ease up on beer at summer camp? Nothing's better than a nice micro-brew after a 10 mile hike in the Rockies. And I am pretty sure we could get a MUCH larger number of BSA members to support THAT policy change.>> Maybe you can get the USSC to mandate that under the 21st Amendment. If it were whiskey SCOTUS might hear the case. Link to post Share on other sites
walk in the woods 888 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 If it were whiskey SCOTUS might hear the case.but only for proper American bourbon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm more in favor of an international flavor such as Canadian blend. .Almost couldn't send this message, couldn't find the prost button. Link to post Share on other sites
Horizon 97 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'm more in favor of an international flavor such as Canadian blend. .Almost couldn't send this message, couldn't find the prost button. Prost is more of a Germanic toast, so shouldn't that be used for a nice German or Austrian drink? Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Prost is more of a Germanic toast, so shouldn't that be used for a nice German or Austrian drink? Ah. So Stosh made a pun and I didn't get it? Link to post Share on other sites
Daped01 61 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 it is if your chartered by a non faith based organization. I found this out the hard way the past few days. We are chartered by an Civic Organization American Legion/VFW type of group.. I had a leader come to me and express his concern regarding the membership change and how they might not be able to continue with the program. Being in an extremely small community I didn't think this would ever effect us. Hindsight shows how naive I was. I immediately went to my DE to ask for advice on how to handle this, and to get some clarification on what the vote actually meant. I was told that unless you are chartered by a religious institution your CO does not have the option to choose. Because of liability reasons any non religious groups could potentially face discrimination lawsuits and therefore had to follow the updated policy. we were told that a new code of conduct will be instituted and followed by all leaders, and will be strictly enforced. I did receive a copy of the code of conduct, but i'm not sure how to post it. Link to post Share on other sites
WAKWIB 107 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 What I can't really get my mind around is the fact that, according to BSA a policy, a religious charter organization cannot discriminate on sexual orientation alone in regard to youth, but can discriminate in regard to adults. It seems like a big hole in the way local option should work. A gay kid who grows up in a pack/troop is suddenly shown the door when he turns 18? That seems like a situation that would create a great deal of unwelcome noise for the church. Link to post Share on other sites
qwazse 4342 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 What I can't really get my mind around is the fact that, according to BSA a policy, a religious charter organization cannot discriminate on sexual orientation alone in regard to youth, but can discriminate in regard to adults. It seems like a big hole in the way local option should work. A gay kid who grows up in a pack/troop is suddenly shown the door when he turns 18? That seems like a situation that would create a great deal of unwelcome noise for the church. The folks who founded Trail Life would agree. Link to post Share on other sites
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