Kids walk home BY THEMSELVES!!! Oh, the humanity....

[Stosh 3452]

Where there is no danger, there is no adventure. [h=1]adventure[/h] Syllabification: ad·ven·ture Pronunciation: /adˈven(t)SHər

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[h=2]Definition of adventure in English:[/h] [h=3]noun[/h] 1An unusual and exciting, typically hazardous, experience or activity: her recent adventures in Italy More example sentences Synonyms

 

 

1.1Daring and exciting activity calling for enterprise and enthusiasm: she traveled the world in search of adventure a sense of adventure More example sentences Synonyms

 

 

1.2 archaic A commercial speculation. Example sentences

 

 

[h=3]verb[/h] [no object] dated Back to top 1Engage in hazardous and exciting activity, especially the exploration of unknown territory: they had adventured into the forest More example sentences

 

 

1.1 [with object] Put (something, especially money or one’s life) at risk: he adventured $3,000 in the purchase of land

 

So, where in Scouting is the adventure? We advertise the product and then never deliver. And to think we can pull the wool over the eyes of an age group that has their adult BS detectors on high 24/7.

 

Stosh

[NJCubScouter 1389]

So' date=' where in Scouting is the adventure? We advertise the product and then never deliver. And to think we can pull the wool over the eyes of an age group that has their adult BS detectors on high 24/7.[/quote']

 

So what would you suggest in order to make things more dangerous?

[Stosh 3452]

Don't ask me, ask our youth! We don't ask, we just tell them and then make it so safe it's totally boring.

 

The reason why action heros are so popular today is because they get to do what kids can't.

 

Next generation of scouts will be made up of super paranoid parents that want their kids to sit in the house (and eventually the basement) where the only excitement in life they get is from the video game they are playing. Oh, wait, we're already there in a lot of homes.

 

To this day I still have parents upset because I took their Webelos cross-over boys white-water canoeing just 2 months into the program.

 

Been doing it for 25 years and haven't lost a boy yet. None have ever been hurt either. All of them love it.

 

With the feminization of our society it will only get worse.

 

When a child is climbing a tree, mom will stand at the bottom and yell "Be careful!" and dad will stand next to her and yell, "How high can you go?"

 

Eventually scouting will become obsolete in our society with the track it's taking.

 

Only thinking that says adventure = danger will produce a program with no adventure.

 

Stosh

[Oldscout448 697]

Well it seems the powers that be have dropped the charges stemming from one of the two times these children have been allowed to walk alone. the other one, where they were picked up about 150 yards from their house remains open.   In an interview on WMAL the Mom said that they were tkinking of suing the city/county.

 

And they ask me why I want to move to West Virginia!

 

Oldscout

Edited May 31, 2015 by Oldscout448

[Gone 435]

Well I will say this, in my cousin's neighborhood (major suburb of a large city in a southern state) where crime is VERY low, they've had several vans pulled over for potential school zone abductions. This is next to a major park and three schools around that park. In ten years there have been nearly a dozen suspicious cars and potentially abductions. You'd never know the problem unless you check the police reports.

[Rick_in_CA 401]

Well I will say this, in my cousin's neighborhood (major suburb of a large city in a southern state) where crime is VERY low, they've had several vans pulled over for potential school zone abductions. This is next to a major park and three schools around that park. In ten years there have been nearly a dozen suspicious cars and potentially abductions. You'd never know the problem unless you check the police reports.

Suspicious cars and potential abductions? The problem with reports like this is it's hard to judge if they are legitimate or not. Some will be, while others will just be suburban paranoia. Even when reading the police reports it can be sometimes hard to tell how legitimate the suspicion was (though most of the time I would hope it is clear).

 

I remember reading a news story about a spate of "suspicious" activity around one of our local schools, that was mostly paranoia. Simply being a lone male by itself is not suspicious (and not all white vans are driven by child molesters). A thirty old male approaching a teenage girl and asking her if she wants a ride is. Unfortunately, too many people can't tell the difference, and too often the media doesn't care about the difference as fear sells.

[Stosh 3452]

 it was interesting how suspicion is often contagious in certain situations.  Right after my divorce I was to pick up my daughter from the public school and she didn't come out when the other kids did.  So I went in to inquire about her.  I was wearing dark pants, an Australian drover's coat, black of course, and a black felt hat.    I was met at the door by a teacher with the panic look and inquiry, "Can I help you?"   I said, "No thanks, I'm just heading to the office."  That wasn't good enough and by the time I got to the office I had an eight person entourage accompanying me.  When I got to the office, the secretary say, "Hi, Mr. B, you're daughter is running a little late but will be along soon, Just have a seat."  I looked at my groupies and they had all sheepishly slunk away.  When I looked back at the secretary, she just smiled and said "Maybe you should wear a different coat when I pick up my daughter."  

[Gone 435]

Suspicious cars and potential abductions? The problem with reports like this is it's hard to judge if they are legitimate or not. Some will be, while others will just be suburban paranoia. Even when reading the police reports it can be sometimes hard to tell how legitimate the suspicion was (though most of the time I would hope it is clear).

 

I remember reading a news story about a spate of "suspicious" activity around one of our local schools, that was mostly paranoia. Simply being a lone male by itself is not suspicious (and not all white vans are driven by child molesters). A thirty old male approaching a teenage girl and asking her if she wants a ride is. Unfortunately, too many people can't tell the difference, and too often the media doesn't care about the difference as fear sells.

Right. Yet those cars that were caught had registered sex offenders driving them. They gave various excuses. Thankfully the police department did buy them and they were convicted of violating their restraining orders.

 

I hope your not suggesting that a 30 year old male cruising a school zone and asking a young girl if she needs a ride is somehow okay.

 

Where there's smoke...

Edited June 1, 2015 by Bad Wolf

[Gone 435]

 it was interesting how suspicion is often contagious in certain situations.  Right after my divorce I was to pick up my daughter from the public school and she didn't come out when the other kids did.  So I went in to inquire about her.  I was wearing dark pants, an Australian drover's coat, black of course, and a black felt hat.    I was met at the door by a teacher with the panic look and inquiry, "Can I help you?"   I said, "No thanks, I'm just heading to the office."  That wasn't good enough and by the time I got to the office I had an eight person entourage accompanying me.  When I got to the office, the secretary say, "Hi, Mr. B, you're daughter is running a little late but will be along soon, Just have a seat."  I looked at my groupies and they had all sheepishly slunk away.  When I looked back at the secretary, she just smiled and said "Maybe you should wear a different coat when I pick up my daughter."

 

Sorry, but in this day and age I have no problem with what the school did or if they did that to me. They were preventing a potential Sandy Hook. I have no issue with that.

[Renax127 70]

Right. Yet those cars that were caught had registered sex offenders driving them. They gave various excuses. Thankfully the police department did buy them and they were convicted of violating their restraining orders.

 

I hope your not suggesting that a 30 year old male cruising a school zone and asking a young girl if she needs a ride is somehow okay.

 

Where there's smoke...

Where there is smoke there is nothing. The "if it saves one kid" crap is what is causing all the panic and is doing exactly nothing to help anyone. 

[Renax127 70]

Sorry, but in this day and age I have no problem with what the school did or if they did that to me. They were preventing a potential Sandy Hook. I have no issue with that.

Then you are part of the problem.

[Gone 435]

Where there is smoke there is nothing. The "if it saves one kid" crap is what is causing all the panic and is doing exactly nothing to help anyone. 

 

ROFL. So if you were in charge, 10 sexual predators would have been allowed to violate their restraining order and hang out in a school zone. Bravo. Way to stop crime. Thank God you are not in law enforcement...or in my community.

 

Then you are part of the problem.

 

Lose a loved-one to preventable violence and then come talking. All they did was use a protection protocol to ensure the safety of their kids.

 

I have no problem with law enforcement or any one else taking extra care in their jobs for my protection. The flight attendant that double-checks a passenger because they look "fishy", the cop who "senses" that something is not right, the school teacher that suspects a child might be in danger, I have no issues with that.

 

There were no personal liberties or basic rights of @@Stosh violated. They were being careful. Where's the harm? Being safe should not be a problem. Taking precautions never hurts.

 

Leave your food laying around camp or do you put it in a bear bag as a precaution?

Edited June 1, 2015 by Bad Wolf

[Renax127 70]

ROFL. So if you were in charge, 10 sexual predators would have been allowed to violate their restraining order and hang out in a school zone. Bravo. Way to stop crime. Thank God you are not in law enforcement...or in my community.

 

 

Lose a loved-one to preventable violence and then come talking. All they did was use a protection protocol to ensure the safety of their kids.

 

I have no problem with law enforcement or any one else taking extra care in their jobs for my protection. The flight attendant that double-checks a passenger because they look "fishy", the cop who "senses" that something is not right, the school teacher that suspects a child might be in danger, I have no issues with that.

 

There were no personal liberties or basic rights of @@Stosh violated. They were being careful. Where's the harm? Being safe should not be a problem. Taking precautions never hurts.

 

Leave your food laying around camp or do you put it in a bear bag as a precaution?

Only a tiny minority of kidnapped children are taken by strangers. Between 1990 and 1995 the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children handled only 515 stranger abductions, 3.1 percent of its caseload. A 2000 report by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Programs reported that more than 3/4 of kidnappings were committed by family members or acquaintances of the child. The study also found that children abducted by strangers were harmed less frequently than those taken by acquaintances.

 

http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/stranger-child-abductions-actually-very-rare-130514.htm

 

I'm sorry I see nothing to back up your claim that a single registered sex offender (which list is so large as to be pretty much useless) was there or what "several" even means.

 

For "preventable crime" crap, your kid is WAY more likely to die in your car than anything else you mentioned, still driving him to scouts though aren't ya.

 

Being precautions hurts when you stop and question any person alone near a school for no specific reason other than "well ya never know". I mean why not stop every car with a kid an adult in it, never know it could help.

[Gone 435]

 

I'm sorry I see nothing to back up your claim that a single registered sex offender (which list is so large as to be pretty much useless) was there or what "several" even means.

 

For "preventable crime" crap, your kid is WAY more likely to die in your car than anything else you mentioned, still driving him to scouts though aren't ya.

 

Being precautions hurts when you stop and question any person alone near a school for no specific reason other than "well ya never know". I mean why not stop every car with a kid an adult in it, never know it could help.

 

Did you miss the part where these pervs were violating their restraining orders? That's a violation of the law. Of the cases reported, nearly 70% in that area turned out to be violations of the law. That's a pretty damn good ratio of stops to crime. You think those guys were just lost? Please!

 

So the 30% that were stopped for probable cause were clean. One guy was peaking in the locker room. Turned out to be a parent looking for their kid, but who in their right mind does that? He created suspicion and was stopped and questioned. Big deal. Don't act like a perv and you won't raise suspicion.

[christineka 35]

My kids like to go to the free school lunch.  It's 2 miles away.  All summer long, I get calls and knocks at the door to let me know my kids were far from home.  Yes, I know.  I let them go.  They're fine.  Sometimes these helpful neighbors are even annoyed that my kids won't get into their car.  I've taught them that they are not allowed to ride in other people's vehicles without my permission- even if we know them.