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The Mouse Monolith vs. the BSA

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Eliminating the discrimination against gay youth was a baby-step. The next step is to stop discriminating against gay adult volunteers. Then corporations and the public can once again start supporting the BSA without controversy.
Or corporations and alumni who want to uphold justice for pairs where one member bears the brunt of physical burden of reproduction due to biology will stop supporting BSA, and start supporting youth groups who uphold those roles as sacrosanct.

 

No matter what, we are the pawn in someone's culture war until we are no longer the largest youth movement in the nation.

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Eliminating the discrimination against gay youth was a baby-step. The next step is to stop discriminating against gay adult volunteers. Then corporations and the public can once again start supporting the BSA without controversy.
I once listen to a gay activist way back in the early 90's explain that their group's long range goal was change the public's view immorality as religious myths. I think they did just that.

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What BSA doesn't know is if the giant step of allowing gay men to be leaders will set them on the road to recovery or over a cliff to oblivion.

 

Even if BSA does go over the cliff (my interpretation) they still won't recover any of that lost corporate money until they remove Reverent and/or allow atheist adults and youth to join.

 

It's a fools errand for the BSA to try and appease the left on social issues. The left won't be satisfied until BSA is as empty a shell as Girl Scouts.

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Nice that a moral exemplar like the Disney Corp., which covers up cruelty to animals in its films (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/11/25/regulators-Hollywood-covers-up-plague-of-animal-babuse) and hires known, convicted child molesters to direct its films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva) feels entitled to preach to those of us in fly-over country about morality.

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Nice that a moral exemplar like the Disney Corp., which covers up cruelty to animals in its films (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/11/25/regulators-Hollywood-covers-up-plague-of-animal-babuse) and hires known, convicted child molesters to direct its films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva) feels entitled to preach to those of us in fly-over country about morality.
Is that anything like the BSA's fraud in having had about 10,000 public schools as chartering partners and expecting them to unlawfully practice religious discrimination?

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Nice that a moral exemplar like the Disney Corp., which covers up cruelty to animals in its films (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/11/25/regulators-Hollywood-covers-up-plague-of-animal-babuse) and hires known, convicted child molesters to direct its films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva) feels entitled to preach to those of us in fly-over country about morality.
Hard to imagine it went on for 80 years. I'm sure the religiously oppressed youth of Chicago Schools and HUD jumped for joy when you liberated them from Scouting's black-hearted grasp.

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Merlyn - Another off topic comment to further an agenda that has a limited number of advocates in Scouting?
No more off-topic than AZMike's rant - and I'll note that he seems to have been perfectly OK with the BSA taking Disney's money, he only complains about Disney when they stopped giving. I guess he was willing to overlook it as long as it paid off.

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Nice that a moral exemplar like the Disney Corp., which covers up cruelty to animals in its films (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/11/25/regulators-Hollywood-covers-up-plague-of-animal-babuse) and hires known, convicted child molesters to direct its films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva) feels entitled to preach to those of us in fly-over country about morality.
Actually, the BSA's religious discrimination didn't go on for 80 years, as they re-admitted Paul Trout in 1985 after public uproar over kicking him out. Sometime after that, the BSA decided defrauding public schools was the way to go.

 

You have something against following the constitution, Scouter99?

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Not really, Merlyn. I had no idea Disney donated to the BSA. And the post-Eisner Diisney is quite different from the old era.

 

I was always more of a Bigs Bunny man than a Mickey Mouse man, myself.

 

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Eliminating the discrimination against gay youth was a baby-step. The next step is to stop discriminating against gay adult volunteers. Then corporations and the public can once again start supporting the BSA without controversy.
Eagledad, that is confusing. Are you saying that the public has the view that immorality is a religious myth and that the gay activist wants to change that?

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Nice that a moral exemplar like the Disney Corp., which covers up cruelty to animals in its films (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/11/25/regulators-Hollywood-covers-up-plague-of-animal-babuse) and hires known, convicted child molesters to direct its films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva) feels entitled to preach to those of us in fly-over country about morality.
AZMike, I am deeply heartened by your evident sensitivity regarding animal rights.

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Merlyn - Another off topic comment to further an agenda that has a limited number of advocates in Scouting?
Merlyn, it is a common reaction by most anyone being taken off the dole. Those receiving handouts eventually tend to come to expect them and then they strongly resent it when they have to fend for themselves.

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Not really, Merlyn. I had no idea Disney donated to the BSA. And the post-Eisner Diisney is quite different from the old era.

 

I was always more of a Bigs Bunny man than a Mickey Mouse man, myself.

See, we agree on something. I liked Bugs too.

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I am hoping that this sort of thing will return the BSA to it's roots. Without huge financial donations the kingdom we call the BSA cannot exist.

 

 

I look at the summit and think how we have lost our way. A weekend of camping for $200. or a jamboree for multiple thousands of dollars. High dollar trips.....

 

 

I hope someday we will return to Lem's scouting and hope that as corporate America bows to the pressure of social media and vocal minority we will see it happen.

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