Jason OK 10 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Does the BSA Have a Position on Abortion? I URGE YOU YOU TO LOOK AT THE CUTE PICTURES! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3846525.stm Scans uncover secrets of the womb Baby 'walking' in the womb A new type of ultrasound scan has produced vivid pictures of a 12 week-old foetus "walking" in the womb. The new images also show foetuses apparently yawning and rubbing its eyes. The scans, pioneered by Professor Stuart Campbell at London's Create Health Clinic, are much more detailed than conventional ultrasound. Professor Campbell has previously released images of unborn babies appearing to smile. He has compiled a book of the images called Watch Me Grow. Conventional ultrasound, usually offered to mothers at 12 and 20 weeks, produces 2D images of the developing foetus. These are very useful for helping doctors to measure and assess the growth of the foetus, but convey very little information about behaviour. Complex behaviour More pictures of developing foetuses Professor Campbell has perfected a technique which not only produces detailed 3D images, but records foetal movement in real time. He says his work has been able to show for the first time that the unborn baby engages in complex behaviour from an early stage of its development. Professor Campbell told the BBC: "This is a new science for understanding and mapping out the behaviour of the baby. "Maybe in the future it will help us understand and diagnose genetic disease, maybe even conditions like cerebral palsy which puzzles the medical profession as to why it occurs." The images have shown: From 12 weeks, unborn babies can stretch, kick and leap around the womb - well before the mother can feel movement From 18 weeks, they can open their eyes although most doctors thought eyelids were fused until 26 weeks From 26 weeks, they appear to exhibit a whole range of typical baby behaviour and moods, including scratching, smiling, crying, hiccuping, and sucking. Until recently it was thought that smiling did not start until six weeks after birth. An hour long session using the new technology, which is not yet available on the NHS, costs 275.(This message has been edited by Jason OK) Link to post Share on other sites
OldFart 10 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Why would it matter? Never thought if it went against any of the Scout Law or Oath. Let me get back with you on that. Link to post Share on other sites
Jason OK 10 Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 I really do not want to debate this; I rather just hear what the BSA says about it. Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I'm pretty sure I've never expressed an opinion on this subject in this forum, and I plan to continue not doing so, but I will say that I am fairly certain the BSA takes no position on it, and has no reason to. (Hey, me and the BSA, happy together.) You know, with all of the controversy on the BSA's plate at this point, on subjects that directly affect the BSA (membership, funding sources, governmnet involvements, lawsuits, etc.), it seems to me that it really doesn't need to reach out for more controversies. Come to think of it, if you think of the "big issues" of the day in the political and judicial arenas, the BSA takes no position on the vast majority of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Jason OK 10 Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 NJ, Spoken well. Any others? Link to post Share on other sites
SR540Beaver 116 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Jason, Why would they? How does it relate to Scouting? The BSA is concerned with providing a program to boys that fulfills their mission statement. Having stands on every hot button issue of the day does not serve the boys who chose Scouting. A more relevant question is their stand on peanut butter. Chunky or smooth? I'm a chunky fan and will fight to the death to defend it over smooth. Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 SR540: Smooth (actually, I think "creamy" is the technically correct term.) OK, that's it, plastic peanut-butter knives at 10 paces. (With any sharp or serrated edges filed off, of course, we don't want anyone to get hurt.) Link to post Share on other sites
ScouterPaul 11 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Not to picky I'll take whatever is there. Link to post Share on other sites
scoutmom 10 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I have to say I'm with SR540 on this one -- it's got to be chunky. Link to post Share on other sites
SR540Beaver 116 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 NJ, Sir, I stand corrected. It is "creamy" indeed. Since I keep my wife's creamy peanut butter pushed as far back in the pantry as possible, I don't see it enough to recall the correct term. Of course, in an extreme survival situation.....I would eat it out of necessity. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OldGreyEagle Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Anna One Anna Two: Please make me a sandwhich Out of peanut butter and jelly Make me a sandwhich So I can fill my belly You know just what to fix When I come for lunch Sometimes its served with jelly Other times with just the crunch So make me a sandwhich You know that its a must Please make me a sandwhich And could you please cut off the crust I like to eat my sandwhich With all kind of stuff Sometimes with a touch of honey And sometimes with the Fluff When its time to eat You can always count on mother Sometimes she toasts the bread And adds a touch of butter So make me a sandwhich To me there is no other Make me a sandwhich Toasted bread and peanut butter Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster7 11 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Why would they? How does it relate to Scouting? Okay, I was trying to ignore this thread, but I feel compelled to answer these rhetorical questions. Why, because the BSA is a youth organization that should be interested in protecting children, even none members. If abortion were illegal, some 2 million more children would be born each year in these United States. I dare say many of those millions would be Scouts. Furthermore, if the pro-choice crowd had the gusts to look at the photos of pre-born children, theyd realize that abortion is the MURDER of innocent children. In other words EVERYONE should care! Controversial or notHot button or notit everyones concern, especially those groups that claim to support children. Link to post Share on other sites
SR540Beaver 116 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Rooster, I'm not pro-choice. But Scouting does not exist for the political or religious purposes of adult leaders who take an interest in current events. Tell me how you would incorporate anti-abortion polices into your unit's program. Would you do this during the patrol meetings, the skills session, the SM Minute, at a campfire program, etc. Should we put a section in the Handbook telling the boys the position they should take on abortion? The Scout Oath and Law is all the ethics a young boy needs in a nutshell. Combine that with caring adult leadership and examples and they can learn how to think for themselves and apply those simple points to complex issues. Link to post Share on other sites
evmori 11 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Chunky and it has to be refrigerated! Link to post Share on other sites
CaveEagle 15 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 evmori.. you must be kidding! I get outraged whenever my chunky pb get put into the fridge. Our Council recommends that only the Jelly is to be chilled. The pb should be room or ambient temparature. BTW this topic is much more relavent to scouting. CE Link to post Share on other sites
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