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OA Sash at Court of Honor

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FGoodwin

 

The online insignia control guide doesn't mention anything about not wearing them at COHs, here's the link.

http://www.scouting.org/media/insigniaguide/10L.aspx

 

What I find interesting is that the ICG doesn't mention that the sash can also be worn with the proefssional dress uniform, per the OAHB.

 

Also as I have mentioned previosly, read the second resposne, at one time COHs were specifically mentioned in the OAHB as Ok to wear the sash. Then some editing occured which left out COHs, but left it vague enough that COHs were still OK , AND left in the professional atire phrase, like you see pros do "cheerful service" in coat and tie.

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Rules are rules, guidelines are not rules, but more like suggestions! If an individual lodge decides it's OK to wear a sash on the belt, who really cares? Maybe a little individuality is a good thing. Otherwise, why don't we just do away with lodge names, totems, and numbers?

 

There are things which are important and worth fighting over. And then there is just plain nitpicking.

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Sounds like one of the justifications / rationalizations to which Fred was alluding. Why do we declare something not worth fighting over, and then fight to justify it? Human nature I suppose.

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Why do we declare something not worth fighting over, and then fight to justify it?

 

Nah, not fight to justify it, eh? Just admonish folks who get judgmental over trivia and forget the whole Friendly, Courteous, Kind bit.

 

The problem is that some folks don't consider where they wear a sash for a kids' program trivial. They raise it to the level of lawbreakin', and claim that if yeh don't follow the Insignia Guide next thing you'll be stealin' cars. ;) Rather than congratulatin' the SPL on a well-run Court of Honor they'll go yell at him for wearin' his sash. They make it more important than Friendly, Courteous, or Kind.... or Creative or Fun or Practical, for that matter.

 

That is worth fightin' over, because it's not an example most of us want for the boys.

 

Beavah

 

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Those who follow the rules won't need this, and those who don't follow the rules won't bother with it, but I'm gonna post it anyway. Scouting Magazine addressed this in response to a letter to the editor back in 1999:

 

Correct wearing of sashes

 

Articles in both the January-February Scouting and the January Boys' Life had photographs showing a Scout wearing the Order of the Arrow sash in the proper, over-the-right-shoulder position while also wearing a folded merit badge sash on his belt.

 

I tell the boys not to wear their OA and merit badge sashes on their belts. Although [they say] it is easy to place [sashes] there so one does not lose them, I tell them they should either wear the sash correctly or not at all.

 

Larry Sherman

Troop 344

Scranton, Pa.

 

The merit badge sash is worn only on formal occasions, and its correct position is over the right shoulder. The Order of the Arrow sash also goes over the right shoulder (but under the epaulet). It is worn on formal Order of the Arrow occasions or service projects and, according to the Order of the Arrow Handbook, "it is not to be worn in any other manner."

 

Both sashes should never be worn simultaneously.

 

http://www.scoutingmagazine.org/issues/9905/d-lett.html

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"They raise it to the level of lawbreakin'..."

 

No, not really. You have it backwards. The noise comes from those folks needlessly defending their right to do what they wanna do which theyre gonna do anyway, be it a sash or uniform parts, insignia, or advancement, or anything Scouting. They get ultra-sensitive about it and heaven help the poor soul that may raise an eyebrow lest he get his head bit off and be subjected to a loud tirade about uniform police or book-thumping or some other dismissive berating. It's really old hearing the defensive justifications.

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THE SASH IS INTERGRATED INTO THE COURT OF HONNER AT A DESIGNATED TIME FRAME (DURING THE ELECTION PROCESS) PRIOR TO THE AWARDS CERMOMY ( PRIOR MTG ) SCOUTS ARE TOLD TO THINK ABOUT WHOM THEY WILL ELECT AT THE COURT OF HONER AND THIS ELECTION IS DONE SCOUTS ARE NOT INFORMED OF THE ELLECTED CANADITE AND THE TAPPOUT IS DONE LATTER AT CAMP THIS IS A BIG MOVIDATER INTERGRATED HONNER SOCIETY NOT A ISOLATED PRIVILAGED GROUP.

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Hmmm, well I in no way would stop anyone from posting due to their content. Only a suggestion that perhaps they should check their spelling.

 

Say whatever you want, just make a tiny effort to spell things right!

 

So what theory is more in line with freedom of speech?

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Doesn't something have to be recognizable as a form of communication to constitute speech? I'm not so sure that post qualifies.(This message has been edited by nolesrule)

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Spelling (or misspelling) aside, there is definitely confusion about Courts of Honor and OA elections. He seems to be doing them at the same time.

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