Eagledad 2777 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well at least it's not hate speech yet! ""France set to ban words 'mother' and 'father' on official documents under plans to legalize gay marriage"" http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/25/france-set-to-ban-words-mother-and-father-under-plans-to-legalize-gay-marriage/ "This could have innumerable consequences. Afterward they will want to create couples with three or four members. And after that, perhaps one day the taboo of incest will fall," he said, according to the report." Barry Link to post Share on other sites
Merlyn_LeRoy 72 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Good old fearmongering from the RCC. Here's a bit you omitted: "Gay marriage would herald a complete breakdown in society" Yeah, the Netherlands are just like Mad Max now, and all because they legalized gay marriage over a decade ago. Oh wait, they aren't. It's not too smart to take advice from an organization that criminally conspired to cover up child abuse. Just sayin'. Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle732 27 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Won't be long before things get rough on this thread, someone goes crying to a moderator, and the thread gets pulled. Some people never learn! Link to post Share on other sites
OldGreyEagle 5 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 as my dear ol' sainted mother used to say Hey, you get out of that tree this instant, if you fall down and break both your legs, don't you come running to me... Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Eagledad, could you please do your fellow forum members a favor, and if your initial post in a thread has nothing at all to do with Scouting, not give the thread a title that implies that it is about Scouting? Half the time I skip threads that do not seem to have anything to do with Scouting, and this probably would have been one of them. Just a friendly request. Link to post Share on other sites
Peregrinator 85 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 In France if you don't like the scouting organization to which you belong, rather than complain about it interminably, you start your own. Link to post Share on other sites
Oak Tree 15 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 The actual question asked in the topic appears to be a bit difficult to answer based on a quick search of the web. It seems clear that most European countries take a more liberal approach to this topic than the BSA does, but France has additional complications. There are five Scouting groups in France, which appear to be the Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim Scouting organizations, as well as the original, plain, Scouts of France. They all belong to one French Scouting organization. From their interactive map of Scout units, it looks like the Catholics are the overwhelming majority, followed by the Scouts of France, then the Protestants, and way down the list were the Muslims and the Jews (looking at the map I only saw three Muslim pins and one Jewish pin). The simple answer to the question would be that yes, no doubt, there are some gay Scout leaders in France. Finding the official policy, though, I'll leave to someone else. Link to post Share on other sites
jpstodwftexas 72 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Who cares? I am not a French Scouting Member Trouble with us Americans..We think we control Everything. Link to post Share on other sites
Callooh! Callay!1428010939 28 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 "Trouble with us Americans..We think we control Everything." And yet one encounters this line of thinking so often that one begins to suspect the trouble is self loathing. Which is not to say that there aren't some foreign areas in which we're formally engaged... to our detriment. (This message has been edited by Callooh! Callay!) Link to post Share on other sites
Eagledad 2777 Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 >>Eagledad, could you please do your fellow forum members a favor, and if your initial post in a thread has nothing at all to do with Scouting, not give the thread a title that implies that it is about Scouting? Link to post Share on other sites
acco40 95 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 France set to ban words 'mother' and 'father' on official documents under plans to legalize gay marriage This from a country whose language applies gender to each and every noun in existence! Link to post Share on other sites
Peregrinator 85 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 There are five Scouting groups in France, which appear to be the Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim Scouting organizations, as well as the original, plain, Scouts of France. There are five groups that make up the Fdration du scoutisme Franais (WOSM/WAGGS member) but there are many more scouting groups in France. There are three main Catholic scouting organizations, the Scouts et Guides de France, the Guides et Scouts d'Europe, and the Scouts Unitaires de France. Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 So, Peregrinator, in other words, if you form a new Scouting organization in France, and call it "Scouts", it seems like the national equivalent of the BSA does NOT immediately threaten to sue you. That seems like a big difference right there. It also seems like, if your new Scouting organization gets big enough, you can become a member of the national "federation" of Scouting. Another big difference. Here in the U.S. we have one national organization that has a monopoly on the words "Scouts" and "Scouting" (at least as applied to males) and no "umbrella" organization that can accommodate separate organizations that do some things differently. If we did, that might solve part of the problem, though I think local option would solve it a lot more easily. Link to post Share on other sites
CalicoPenn 729 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 "Gay marriage would herald a complete breakdown in society," Cardinal Philippe Barbarin, the head of the French Catholic Church, told Christians RFC radio last week." Ummm, Cardinal Barbarin does live in France, doesn't he? If so, he must know how ridiculous a statement that was - a breakdown in society France? Heck, Ronald McDonald sneezes and the French society breaks down.(This message has been edited by calicopenn) Link to post Share on other sites
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