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And in another year or so, even the Catholic Church is beginning to move away from their previous rigid stand.

I wanted to note that while a majority of states now have legal same-sex marriage, a lawsuit in this state poses an interesting challenge to the current ban. I read this morning that the two women who are suing the state have a set of twins for their children. One of the women actually gave birth to the twins and here's the interesting part: the other woman was the genetic contributor of the ova - and even though SHE is the genetic mother of both children, the state will not recognize this fact for any legal question. This is an interesting conundrum because if the state successfully defends the ban, they are essentially arguing that a genetic mother no longer necessarily has any legal standing. Interesting. I suspect even this state is going to have legal same sex marriage soon.

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And less than one year has passed and look at all the changes. BSA membership policy. Supreme Court decisions. Wow.

Interesting. Courts have also held that a non-genetic father is still liable for child support and by implication the genetic father is not. So will the genetic mother have no legal standing but still be liable financially? Or will it end up as whoever has the money is the one liable?

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And in another year or so, even the Catholic Church is beginning to move away from their previous rigid stand.

 

Beginning to, but don't expect some radical overthrow of the status quo. At the most, there will be a shift in tone, but not in doctrine. Some of the language may change (and should) "Intrinsically Disordered" has always made me cringe a bit. The church is always going to hold that marriage is one man and one woman. It might not condemn gay marriage or premarital sex as strongly as it has in the past, but it won't condone those things either. I think even some of the more conservative Catholics are open to having a more friendly open tone, but are afraid of being misinterpreted by certain corners of the media.

 

As for the government, a combination of the voters and the Courts will make gay marriage legal in all 50 states.

 

KDD: Didn't a genetic father get held for financial support in Kansas? http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/0...hild-support/?

 

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And if a new scout shos up at your dn / troop meeting and says here are my 2 dads / moms? Are you really going to turn them away and make them feel uncomfortable. Deny the beenfit of scouting to this non-traditional family? deny the boy the all the oppirtunites that scouting gives?

 

me personnally i would try to integrate them as much as we can.

 

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And if a new scout shos up at your dn / troop meeting and says here are my 2 dads / moms? Are you really going to turn them away and make them feel uncomfortable. Deny the beenfit of scouting to this non-traditional family? deny the boy the all the oppirtunites that scouting gives? me personnally i would try to integrate them as much as we can.
My comments where very specifically about the Catholic Church. Please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
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Sentinel, I read that as the impersonal form of 'you'. Or else he was thinking about me since I'm the one who restarted this thread. In that case let me assure st0ut717 that this unit would welcome the boy and his parents without hesitation.

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And if a new scout shos up at your dn / troop meeting and says here are my 2 dads / moms? Are you really going to turn them away and make them feel uncomfortable. Deny the beenfit of scouting to this non-traditional family? deny the boy the all the oppirtunites that scouting gives?

 

me personnally i would try to integrate them as much as we can.

 

Kinda cuts into one's adult leader recruiting model. Must be kinda awkward handing out adult registration forms and having to pass up these people. We'll take your kid, but not you. Instead, you need to drag out your checklist and make sure that both parents have legally adopted the child or at least have legal guardianship papers so that they will be allowed to accompany the boy to camping outings. Oh, yes, if they do not have the legal documents they can't go, and their boy can't go either.

 

Don'tcha just love these hypocritical can-of-worms?

 

Not to worry, there's plenty of parents on the sex-offender registry that have children in scouts and can attend with their boys.

 

And today's lesson, children, is brought to you by the letters: "C" "Y" and "A".

 

Stosh

 

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I do... National has said no to GL leaders (not going into the current PC alphabet soup) Even though they may be parents of a scout. and have full legal marraige. as of now what do we do with those parents / families. because a family that comes to scouting because their boy wants t. That boy is a highly motivated scout. and we are shutting that family out and losing the resources that they would bring to the table.

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Even though they may be parents of a scout. and have full legal marraige. as of now what do we do with those parents / families. because a family that comes to scouting because their boy wants t. That boy is a highly motivated scout. and we are shutting that family out and losing the resources that they would bring to the table.

 

YES! I've been shouting this LOUDLY for a long, long, long time. I do realize that all Scouting is local and, in my particular locality, I can't recruit anymore because of the membership policy. Some gay couples have come to my Troop to visit and we welcome the Scout AND the parents. Nonetheless, our community shuts US out because we are viewed as an evil entity that won't accept gays and lesbians. It really makes me sad.

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According to marriage laws, just because a man marries a woman it does not mean that the man automatically becomes the parent to the boy, nor does it mean he is the boy's legal guardian. Take that and complicate it with the new gay marriage issue. Oh, we had a "father" molest his son on a scout outing? But he's married to the boy's mother. So what, his father is his mother's Ex.

 

If one is not going to check out all these different dynamics, at least have a good lawyer on retainer.

 

Stosh

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When I first saw this thread near the top of the heap and saw that it was a two-year-old thread (last post more than a year ago, before today), I thought to myself, "What [unkind colorful metaphor deleted] decided to dredge THIS up, and in what terrible direction is this discussion going to go?" Then I saw that the culprit was our esteemed senior Moderator Packsaddle, who always does things with only the best intentions, and who I count as a good friend even though I have never met him. So, okay, I am sure there was a good reason. :) But as for the direction it has gone in since then, I can only say it is Confusion. There have been about 12 posts in the "new" part of the thread and I cannot even count how many different issues are being discussed already, and am not really sure what some of them are. I do think JBlake makes a good argument for local option on adult leadership, though I suspect that is not what he was trying to do, unless I have misunderstood his position all these years.

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Sentinel.... not directed at you or I would have quoted you or specified by name e.g. this post :)

 

I apologize for assuming that was directed at me. I don't have issues with gay leaders at my current CO, which is a more open Lutheran church that would probably accept them anyways. If I was a leader for a more conservative CO, like a Catholic or Baptist CO, then I'd be sabotaging the church's youth ministry by hiding gay leaders that the CO wouldn't want. It's a tough situation.

 

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