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That whole guilt by association thing can get to be a real sticky wicket. Sean Hannity hammered the William Ayers and Rev. Wright nail every day for a year leading up to the election. Of course, he associates with the likes of Dick Morris (hookers), Newt Gingrich (adulterer) and Oliver North (criminal acquitted on a technicality) and seeks their counsel and comments constantly. Kind of the pit calling the kettle black. In fact, the moderators will ban you from Sean's website if you criticize any of his friends by speaking the truth about their pasts. Of cousre, he isn't running for national office, so he can relax his standards.

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Even if you think Rush is Right, Sean is a nutjob. For that matter, so is Mark Levin.

 

Of course, they're entertainers/celebrities.

 

What would 100 celebrities chained to the bottom of the ocean be?

 

Company for the lawyers. ;)

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political associations notwithstanding, can we agree that WIlliam Ayers fits the definition of a terrorist? I think he proclaimed himself one

 

Anyway, any radio talk show host has one agenda, sell air time, its how the system operates. Why couldnt Air America stay on the air? Nobody was buying what they sold

 

Not exactly sure what that means though

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OGE,

 

I can agree that he was some degree of a terrorist as their motives were political. That being said, the Weathermen were fairly inept in their actions. They bombed or burned symbols of power and fron what I read here, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions) the did not target people. It appears they were doing violent acts to make a statement more than to use fear and terror against people. I'm not trying to make excuses for them and am willing to change my mind based on any credible evidence to the contrary. The late 60's were a very radical period of time in our history and a lot of today's terms don't always fit like a glove. Of course, there is always the mantra that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Our own enemy the Taliban (terrorist) grew from the Mujahideen (freedom fighters) who we supplied and trained to fight a proxy war in Afghanistan.

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Also, the ACLU serves a worthy purpose as they work to make sure our constitutional rights are guaranteed across the board to all people.

 

RAOTFL!

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Ed,

 

Do a little research instead of just reading those email chain letters or listening to those talk radio guys selling soap and cherry picking red meat for their faithful listeners.

 

http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/16040prs20020417.html

 

In Win for Rev. Falwell (and the ACLU), Judge Rules VA Must Allow Churches to Incorporate (4/17/2002)

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

RICHMOND, VA--A federal judge has struck down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating, in a challenge filed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell and joined by the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia, the group announced today.......

 

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/medical/14969prs20040112.html

 

ACLU Asks Court to Protect Confidentiality of Rush Limbaugh's Medical Records (1/12/2004)

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

PALM BEACH, FL - In a motion filed today, the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida said state law enforcement officers violated Rush Limbaugh's privacy rights by seizing the conservative radio talk show host's medical records as part of a criminal investigation involving alleged ""doctor-shopping.""

 

""While this case involves the right of Rush Limbaugh to maintain the privacy of his medical records, the precedent set in this case will impact the security of medical records and the privacy of the doctor-patient relationship of every person in Florida,"" said Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida.......

 

http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/37958prs20081203.html

 

ACLU Files Federal Lawsuit To Protect Religious Liberty Of New Jersey Prisoner (12/3/2008)

 

 

State Prison Officials Prevent Ordained Pentecostal Minister From Preaching

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

 

TRENTON, NJ The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of New Jersey today filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of a New Jersey prisoner, an ordained Pentecostal minister, who is asking the state to respect his religious freedom by restoring his right to preach.

 

Howard Thompson, Jr. had preached at weekly worship services at the New Jersey State Prison (NJSP) for more than a decade when prison officials last year issued, without any reason, a blanket ban on all preaching by inmates, even when done under the direct supervision of prison staff......

 

http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/36544prs20080822.html

 

City of Portland Upholds Freedom of Religion (8/22/2008)

 

 

Rabbi Allowed to Continue Praying in Home

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT: info@mclu.org

 

PORTLAND After more than five hours of testimony from neighbors, clergy, and supporters of religious liberty, the Portland Zoning Board of Appeals unanimously voted to allow a Portland Rabbi to continue prayer in his home. Rabbi Moshe Wilansky had received a cease-and-desist letter from Portland in May, ordering him to stop using his home as a "place of worship". The Zoning Board of Appeals, however, rejected the city's interpretation of the zoning ordinance, finding instead that the Rabbi was using his home in a perfectly acceptable way.

 

"Tonight was a victory for all Mainers who care about religious liberty," said Zachary Heiden, Legal Director for the MCLU, who assisted in Rabbi Wilansky's appeal. "The government is not allowed to tell people where or how to practice religion, and we applaud the Zoning Board for recognizing that truth........"

 

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. If not, there is a whole list at http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/index.html

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While perhaps a large portion of the Weatherman's actions were not targeted at killing people, it would be untrue to say they were opposed to doing so. In fact, they did have one such plan go bad and ended up killing a few of their own during the bomb production process.

 

This occurred in March 6th of 1970 while in prepartions for a plan to set off anti-personnel pipe bombs that evening at a dance for noncommissioned officers at the Fort Dix, New Jersey Army base

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Village_townhouse_explosion

 

Further they killed a police officer in February 1970, during the bombing of several police cars in Berkeley. They killed two more officers in 1981 after a bank robbery.

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The ACLU was founded by Roger Baldwin who was a communist and hoped that the ACLU would move the USA toward communism. They only defend the establishment clause of the First Amendment not the free exercise clause. When have they defended a citizen from a government illegally forcing them to give up their arms? They are a liberal rights organization not a civil rights organization. They only take the left's side of issues. That might be the right side in some cases but not in all by any means.

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vol_scouter - did you even skim what SR540Beaver posted?

 

Vicki

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SR540Beaver,

 

I don't listen to talk radio nor do I read chain e-mails. And Rush is a moron!

 

Vicki,

 

Did you even read what vol_scouter posted> The ACLU was founded by a communist! Yeah they have defend some good causes but for the most part, they interpret the Constitution to fit what ever they want it to fit! They don't have the interest of the American public at heart.

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Yes, I actually did, Ed. More half truths and polemics. If you read Baldwin's history, he, like many others in that era, thought the Soviet Union was a worker's paradise until the truth started coming out at which point they rejected it, along with the other totalitarian regimes of the period. Bearing in mind, of course, that the man was a socialist and civil libertarian to the end. Personally, I think socialism and civil liberty are philosophically incompatible, but hey, it's worth a discussion around the campfire. I'm just glad he thought civil liberties were the way to get where he wanted to go!

 

Wow. I find that I've defended Bush and the ACLU in the same thread, not to mention quoting Frank Zappa. What a long, strange trip...:

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So when did the ACLU ever defend the Second Amendment? When did it ever come to the defense of people expressing their religious rights in public? The case above is about whether the zoning laws allow a house to be a place of worship. Most would have no problem with a few people meeting at a house once a week for bible study or a similar exercise of religious freedom. he question is whether your neighbor can take a residential zoned house and turn it into a church - do you really support the idea that your next door neighbor can have an actual church? Obviously a difficult question without a simple answer. I applaud the ACLU for defending Rush who was persecuted for his political beliefs. I said that not all suits were leftist. At the same time, it is the ACLU that has persecuted the BSA over homosexuality. They are the ones to say that the BSA was a public accommodation like a bus! They do not defend all of our liberties - only the ones that liberals like.

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Good point vol_scouter.

 

It seems ever since the Dale case, the ACLU has had the BSA in it's sights & is looking for anything it can find to get them for. The cases they take always seem to stretch to find a point they can defend & these cases take forever to be resolved.

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"They are the ones to say that the BSA was a public accommodation like a bus!" And yet, in another thread, a poster compared the BSA to a food catering company - those who sign on as CO's can pick and choose from the training materials and add elements should they wish (the discussion was specifically about religious CO's). I objected then to that characterization and I object to the BSA being compared to a public accommodation.

 

But we can't have it both ways. There are consequences for taking a stand and perhaps expecting different treatment from civil authorities than any other discriminating organization - and I use the word discriminating in its original sense of picking and choosing with whom to associate.

 

Vicki

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