Screaming Irony

[Kahuna 172]

As I understand the story so far (TV Indians excluded), it appears that St Jean may not have been eligible for retirement and Smith was. Do we know if that's so? If one was and one wasn't, that could explain the difference.

 

I think it's unfair to speculate on what Smith may or may not have done, apart from distributing kiddie porn, which I understand to mean he shared it with other pedophiles, as opposed to producing and selling.

[FScouter 24]

I'd best get back to herding worms now.

[OldGreyEagle 5]

So, FScouter, you fishing for something here? I'll raise to the bait, even though it may be opening another can of, well, worms. If you are casting out for input, I can see you get some trolling in, then again you could just be keeping it Reel (This message has been edited by a staff member.)

[FScouter 24]

Maybe Mr. Dinckler has some dynamite bait down in the basement of his hardware store?

[jkhny 10]

I am sure that the level of discourse shown here will reassure ANY parent that BSA takes distribution of child pornography seriously (not). The willingness to excuse what happened to Smith INSTEAD of questioning WHY he wasn't FIRED will not be reassuring to "outsiders" that BSA takes these issues seriously.

 

Note that I am not dragging BSA through the mud. Mr. Smith's actions were highly embarassing to BSA and clearly hurt BSA's image. I am raising questions that MANY parents and "outsiders" - and even Scout Leaders - have had about what happened here. The difference in treatment between Smith and St. Jean is clear and obvious. It would be in BSA's own interest to be as open and transparent in this as possible - instead of leaving others to "speculate" but this has not happened. Why?

 

The way in which what is a VERY real issue to parents and others outside BSA is cavalierly dismissed does NOT make parents feel "good" about BSA.

 

As far as what should have been done? Smith was put "on leave." Pending the outcome of a court case - which is a far more stringent measure than accorded volunteers - Smith should have been kept on leave. If guilty of these crimes - which he was - he should have been FIRED.

 

THAT would have made parents and others feel far better about this mess, showing that there was ZERO tolerance for such activities in BSA and that there were very real and severe repurcussions for it in BSA.

 

It seems appallingly logical to "outsiders" that ANY behavior in BSA by a volunteer or professional that involves child abuse (possession/distribution of child pornography, actual abuse, failing to report abuse to authorities) should result in IMMEDIATE termination AND legal action (if first discovered by BSA). In the case of paid staff, this should include TERMINATION. An accused person, found guilty, should not be allowed to "resign." When paid staff have violated the law - and even when they have escaped prosecution (through statute of limitations or whatever) BSA should STILL dismiss them - "FIRE" them - just as they would a volunteer.

 

 

[evmori 11]

Who wants gum?

[FScouter 24]

Have any Chiclets?

[OldGreyEagle 5]

Gimme a stick of Beeman's

 

FS, you are a Mad Mad Mad Mad guy

[Prairie_Scouter 10]

You guys have been sniffing at the propane tanks again, haven't you.

 

[Bob White 20]

Oh no you you don't jhnky your not gonna weasel out of this without answering a direct question.

 

At the time that Smith took retirement no charge was made, no charge was known. On what grounds as an employer could you fire an employees who was not under arrest, had not been charged, and was eligible to retire?

 

On what grounds to you think you can fire this employee?

 

This only requires a one sentence statement from you. Focus!

[evmori 11]

I've got Blackjack & Clove! Sorry FScouter, no Chicklets!

 

[rpushies 10]

Bubble gum, good old fashioned, full of sugar bubble gum. That's the ticket, Bazooka. Little comic inside and lots of bubbles to keep you occupied. I bet we can find some hot air to fill the bubbles.

 

Beats herding earthworms. Besides night crawlers give me the willies!

[CA_Scouter 11]

Rpushies, if I may edit you previous response in the proper style...

 

 

BUBBLE gum, good OLD fashioned, FULL of sugar bubble gum. THAT'S the ticket, BAZOOKA. LITTLE comic INSIDE and LOTS of bubbles to keep you OCCUPIED. I BET we can find some HOT AIR to fill the bubbles.

 

:-)

 

[rpushies 10]

Oh, I'm sorry. I missed the stuff on style. Which is normal for me, I actually like the style of my Scout uniform. Campaign hats are just way too cool to describe! So some say I just have no style.

[evmori 11]

I've also got a box of Screaming Yellow Zonkers!

 

Yum!