The Boy Scouts and the United Nations

[WHEELER 10]

Just went down to the local store that sells Boy Scout paraphernalia. It is a block away from the library.

 

I bought the merit badge book Citizenship in the World. What is going on in the Boy Scouts of America?

 

What is the United Nations? The United Nations is the last step in the evolutionary process of political organization.

 

All the workers of the world unite! was the cry of Karl Marx and Engels. In the book, One World (published by One World Publishing Co, Notre Dame, Ind. 1984), John C. Kiang traces this movement to socialism: As far as world unity is concerned, Marx and Engels were the pioneers who expounded that modern industry had furnished a real foundation for a world unity, and declared not only that working men have no country, but also that Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationalities. (Pg 248-9)

 

Kiang footnotes these statements in his book: In this declaration Marx and Engels claimed that the struggle of the workers was international in essence. National differences, they pointed out, were being wiped out by the development of free trade, by the growth of a world market, and by the increasing uniformity of industrial and social conditions. The workers in particular were being denationalized by modern industry, and had no fatherland. (pg 248) Karl Marx wanted to do away with nation states and replace it with one global government.

 

Alger Hiss wrote the constitution for the United Nations and was outed by Whitaker Chambers as an communist. Records released from the now defunct Soviet Union prove this right.

 

Not only in that book but another book, Elements of Socialism by Spargo and Arner (MacMillan Co. NY. NY. 1925) discuss and elucidate the foundations, the philosophies, the strategies and the goals of socialism. It states that society evolves like mankind evolves and the final evolution of the political states of man is One World Government. This by the way was written in l925!

 

Modern Socialism is essentially international.(page 202) The State is not abolished. It dies out. (page 213) On page 219, it says, The establishment of a World Economy must necessarily have the effect of softening the differences between nations and of bringing about something approaching a world federation.

 

Is not NATO that world federation? ...how about the UN? There is a chart in that book, that does display that world government is the final evolution of the societies of man. Why on Gods green earth are the Boy Scouts of America participating in communist ideology???? Are these people so lost?

 

It says in Psalm 1, v1: BLESSED IS THE MAN WHO HAS NOT WALKED IN THE COUNSEL OF THE UNGODLY, AND HAS NOT STOOD IN THE WAY OF SINNERS, AND HAS NOT SAT IN THE SEAT OF EVIL MEN.

 

What are the Boy Scouts of America doing? They are walking in the counsel of the ungodlythe communists. The Boy Scouts of America are standing in the way of sinnerssocialists. The Boy Scouts of America are sitting with evil men!!

 

The first thing that the Viet Cong did when they entered a village was kill all the Catholics. During the Greek civil war of the late 40s, communist forces went around killing all the Christians they could find. The Republican forces in the civil war of Spain in l939 killed all Catholics they could get their hands on.

 

Over two hundred thousand Orthodox priests, monks, and nuns were slaughtered in the Communist purges of the 1920s and l930s. According to commission chairman Aleksander Yakovlev, most priests were shot or hanged, although Communist death squads crucified many on church doors and left others to freeze to death in winter after being stripped and soaked in water. In addition to those killed directly , Yakovlev confirms that another half-million priests and religious were imprisoned or deported to Siberia. In a top-secret message of March 1922 to the Politburo, Lenin urged frenzied and ruthless energy in seizing church properties, and called for current famine and disease to be exploited in removing enemies of the regime. As many representative of the reactionary clergy as possible should be shot, Lenin commanded, in order to teach opponents of communism such a lesson that they will not dare to think about any resistance whatsoever for several decades. (First Things, May l996, pg 87)

 

In the French revolution, the forces of revolution, the socialists, stuck Christian babies on pitch forks.

 

Book of Sirach: 13.17 What fellowship hath the wolf with the lamb? What agreement is there between the hyenna and the dog? This is the principle of non-contradiction.

 

God set up nation states. God destroyed the Tower of Babel. These people seek to rebuild it.

 

The United Nations is a communist organization. Its values are opposed to all of Christian teachings. There is even a chapter on International Law. There is no such thing as International Law unless there is an International King!

 

The Boy Scouts of America subscribes to the Gospel of Karl Marx and is teaching its boys to be little Marxists.(This message has been edited by WHEELER)(This message has been edited by WHEELER)(This message has been edited by WHEELER)

[evmori 11]

Ya know Wheeler,

Ya start out normal then the medicine must wear off & ya get crazy! Give it a rest! Your opinion of the BSA is way off base. You want it to be more than it is!

 

Ed Mori

1 Peter 4:10

[OldGreyEagle 5]

You would think a library would have merit badge books as well so Penurious clientele would not have to reduce ones' already scarce resources

 

Anyway, label me dense but the following is taken from Meritbadge.com. I don't know if its the most current, but for this purpose it doesnt matter. Somebody please explain to me how any of these requirements teaches a scout to be Marxist.

 

1. Answer the following:

a. What is citizenship? How does one become a citizen in the United States? How does one become a citizen in other countries?

b. What rights, duties, and obligations does American citizenship entail? How are these similar to or different from the way citizenship is experienced in two other countries?

2. Do the following:

a. Discuss the concept of national interest.

b. Explain how a country's security, economy, and values relate to its national interest.

3. Explain ONE of the following to your counselor:

a. How communications and transportation have changed relationships between countries

b. How changing national interests, democratic values, and global economic partnerships are affecting the relationships between countries

4. Do the following:

a. Tell how the geography, natural resources, and climate of a country affect its economy.

b. Using a map of the world, select two countries. Describe how geography, natural resources, and climate are important in defining each country's national interest. Explain how these interests affect relations with at least two other countries.

5. Do the following:

a. Explain international law and how it differs from national law. What role does international law perform in the international system? Describe how international law can be used as a tool for conflict resolution.

b. Select TWO of the following global issues and explain how they have been affected by international agreements and treaties:

1. Environmentalism

2. Terrorism

3. International trade

4. Communications

5. Transportation

6. Famine relief

7. Disease control

8. International sports

c. Select TWO of the following organizations and describe their role in the international system:

1. The United Nations

2. The World Court

3. World Organization of the Scout Movement

4. The World Health Organization

5. Amnesty International

6. The International Red Cross

7. Americas Watch

8. CARE

6. Do the following:

a. Explain to your counselor what is meant by

1. International trade agreement

2. Foreign exchange

3. Balance of payments

4. Tariffs

5. Free trade

b. Explain how world trade and global competition affect the economy of your state and your community.

c.

1. Locate the listing of foreign currency exchange rates in the financial section of the newspaper. Select three major foreign currencies and explain the rates of exchange between these currencies and the American dollar.

2. Select a foreign currency and price a product in that currency. Explain how fluctuations in currency exchange rates affect the price of that product if you are exporting it from the United States. Explain how fluctuations in currency exchange rates affect the price of that product if you are importing it into the United States.

7. Do the following:

a. Discuss the differences between constitutional and non-constitutional governments.

b. Name at least five different types of government currently in power in the world.

c. Show on a world map countries that use each of these five different forms of government.

8. Do the following:

a. Explain how a government is represented abroad. How is the United States government accredited to international organizations?

b. Describe the roles of the following in the conduct of foreign relations:

1. Ambassador

2. Consul

3. United States Information Agency

4. Agency for International Development

5. Foreign Commercial Service

c. Explain the purpose of a passport and visa for international travel.

9. Do ONE of the following:

a. Attend a world jamboree.

b. Take part in an international event in your area.

c. Visit with a foreign exchange student and discuss his or her country and customs.

d. Study a foreign language for a year.

e. Write an embassy or consulate for material about its country and discuss the material with your counselor.

f. Examine a particular international issue and give a brief oral presentation and a written report to your counselor.

 

[OldGreyEagle 5]

this is the mission of the Boy Scouts

 

The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.

 

The Scout Oath

On my honor I will do my best

To do my duty to God and my country

and to obey the Scout Law;

To help other people at all times;

To keep myself physically strong,

mentally awake, and morally straight.

 

The Scout Law

A Scout is:

Trustworthy

Loyal

Helpful

Friendly

Courteous

Kind

Obedient

Cheerful

Thrifty

Brave

Clean

Reverent

 

And the BSA Vision statement is:

 

The Boy Scouts of America is the nation's foremost youth program of character development and values-based leadership training.

 

In the future Scouting will continue to

 

Offer young people responsible fun and adventure;

Instill in young people lifetime values and develop in them ethical character as expressed in the Scout Oath and Law;

Train young people in citizenship, service, and leadership;

Serve America's communities and families with its quality, values-based program

 

Now, if somebody can find the Marxist doctrine in these statements let me.

 

 

 

[WHEELER 10]

What is a merit badge on being a citizen of the world doing in the BSA? In the merit badge book on the etnic heritage of the USA is a chapter with picture of the United Nations!!!!

 

With a merit badge book it is promulgating just like Antonio Gramsci has said, Change the culture, change the politics. Antonio Gramsci is alive and well in the BSA.

 

Notice about anything lacking in the preceeding messages about boys to men. It is all in marxist gender neutral terms.(This message has been edited by WHEELER)

[evmori 11]

Wheeler,

Your opinion is not your own! It is the opinion of all those you quote! Me thinks it's time to put the books away & start a little human interaction! Your reality is skewed!

 

Ed Mori

1 Peter 4:10

[WHEELER 10]

 

The Boy Scouts of America are becoming more progressive and dropping old ideas because (1) their critics, (2) modern people don't understand concepts that were normal back then,(3) trying to 'fit in' with the times. Socialists and socialist ideology is making great headway in all areas of our culture.

 

This is the last sentence in the post To be a Man.

 

Laurie writes this:

 

As a program post, I found no value in it. Had it originated as an issues post, it might have received fewer thumbs down. I would hope that you'd be more upfront and at least tackle issues as just that: your own opinion rather than as a Scouter who knows it all and is here to correct all of us who just can't seem to get it right.

 

Bob White writes this:

 

The mission of scouting is not to turn boys into men. How does one deliver a scouting program without understanding its purpose?

 

 

Eamonn writes:

 

Sorry I don't see your point. I have never looked at Scouting as training boys to be men. Even as a Scout Leader in Baden Powell's back yard we looked at Scouting as: The mental, Physical and spiritual development of the young person to become a worthwhile member of Society.

 

 

I THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM HOUSTON.

 

My point still stands the Boy Scouts are becoming more progressive and dropping old ideas because (1) their critics, (2) modern people dont understand concepts that were normal back then and (3)  trying to fit in the with the times. 

 

Socialist and socialist ideology and words is making great headway in the Boy Scouts of America.  All my points are proven. 

 

To evmori:

 

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

 

If it walks like a socialist, talks like a socialist, it's a communist.

 

The BSA cannot serve two masters. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[firstpusk 10]

WHEELER,

You seem to like quotations, so I will give you three. Why would the BSA have a merit badge for Citizenship in the World?

 

No man is an island, entire of itself every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee. -- John Donne

Concerning your quote barrages, that often show only the most feeble understanding of the topic at hand.

 

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain

I have been a scoutmaster for many years and a counselor for Citizenship in the World. It would be difficult to misconstrue the badge more completely than you do. When I consider the value that I put on your opinions, especially with respect to the program of the BSA, only T.R. can express my opinion.

 

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat. -- Theodore Roosevelt

[evmori 11]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

If it walks like a socialist, talks like a socialist, it's a communist.

Socialism & communism are not interchangeable terms.

 

Ed Mori

1 Peter 4:10

[OldGreyEagle 5]

B-P himself stated that the Boy Scout movement was to to provide good works for the community, that the Boy Scout movement was non-military, non-sectarian, non-political and non-class. He saw the spirit of scouting traveling from country to country and hoped it would provide the soul needed to turn the League of Nations into a lving force that will render war impossible.

 

Hmmmm, Just as I suspected

 

B-P was a pinko radical, and dare I say LIBERAL!!!

 

He wanted boys to do good works for the community, he wanted it to be non-military, non-sectarian and non-class, and non-political. That either makes him a communist or at least an anarchist.

 

Thank you Wheeler for showing me the error of my ways, all this time the BSA has been portrayed by the media as a right wing religious organization when its really a pinko leftist organization soiling the minds of our young men.

[NJCubScouter 1389]

Wheeler, I think your post adds to (actually multiplies) the growing body of evidence that you are a fraud.

 

You act shocked, shocked you are, to find that the BSA has a Citizenship in the World Merit Badge. You make clear in your second post that your concern is not just about the content of the pamphlet, but in the existence of the badge. And you learned about this, so you say, by wandering into a Scout supply distributor and seeing the pamphlet.

 

Really?

 

In your "profile" post you said you were born in 1960 and you are an Eagle Scout. Given the time-frames that existed at the time (I was born in 1958 and made Life, so I know something about this, and even remember some of it) I'd say it is almost a certainty that you earned Eagle under the new handbook and requirements that came out in 1972. I mean, it may be conceievable that you advanced so quickly that you advanced so quickly that you were grandfathered all the way through and made Eagle in the 1960's handbook, but I doubt it. Now, what do you suppose was one of the new EAGLE REQUIRED merit badges introduced in 1972? CITIZENSHIP IN THE WORLD.

 

So, Wheeler, unless I miss my guess, you couldn't have been surprised to see Cit in the World as a merit badge, because YOU EARNED IT. Unless you were never really a Scout at all.

 

As for your other stuff, it's just nonsense. To you, everybody except you and your buddies in the (real or imaginary) monasteries you lived in are socialists, and a socialist is a communist, so we're all commies. And anything that acknowledges the 20th century is "progressive" and progressive=socialist=blah blah blah blah. Actually in one of your earliest posts you said that most Americans are socialists, and we probably should have caught onto the madness at that point. Although some may disagree, the Boy Scouts DOES try to be "progressive" to a degree.

It changes with society, though obviously at the moment there's a little bit of a hangup over one aspect of that. That 1972 handbook that everybody likes to ridicule did do at least one good thing, it acknowledged that there were some people in the United States (and in the BSA) who are not white. Shortly thereafter, the BSA acknowledged that just as the worlds of business and government had finally begun to accept women, females (women and girls) also had something to contribute to the BSA. And actually if you think about it, the creation of an organization in 1910 that allowed in people of all religions was a pretty progressive thing in and of itself. Obviously the "traditional" is important in Scouting as well, and as I alluded to, we don't always all agree on where the boundary is. But Scouting ain't communist. That's just nuts.

[kasane 10]

Welcome to the 21st Century Wheeler. The world economy is here.

 

You are currently wearing at least one clothing item manufactured in the Third World by people beyond the reach of American labour unions. Your food today came from cows raised in Argentina, your orange juice came from Brazil, and your lettuce and tomatoes hand-picked in Florida by itinerant labour from Mexico. That burger you ate at McDonalds was served by an 18 year old (or a 60 year old) making just the minium wage. In some cases they are raising or supporting a family on that. McDonald's offers benefits, but there are a lot of jobs out there that don't. So you still have to buy health care out of that wage, plus feed a family, put a roof over their heads. In the pursuit of greater profits, companies in the united states have exported jobs overseas. That is where an American minimum wage is probably 5x what they are paying a girl in the Phillipines to sew your blue jeans. So you can still pay $30 for them like you did 25 years ago.

 

Marx recognized the value of labour to an economy. He proposed/projected a world (nearly 150 years ago)in which this labour was essential to the growth of the middle and upper classes, but the standard of living actually declined for the labour classes (increased automation, exporting labour-intensive work to areas of cheaper labour). Marx was first and foremost an economist - remember. Today he would probably get a Nobel prize for his theory (and yes, he would probably have to give it back based on the soviet system of impelementation). Most Nobel prize laureates in Economics have used his theories to model current economies and governments today.

 

If you look around - you can see this happening in the United States (the poor and the working poor are getting poorer - their jobs are disappearing overseas).

 

The United Nations has in the past 50 or so years tried (God how they have tried) to protect people around the world, no matter their ideology) from war, famine, economic and political oppression, and disease. Noble concepts - hard to put into action. But without UNICEF, the FAO, WHO and peacekeepers (from every country in the world with a few exceptions) who put their lives on the line, boys and girls in strife-torn areas would not have a chance to grow up safe and healthy, The world (and yes little boy scouts in the USA) would be all the worse without the United Nations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[WHEELER 10]

To those who pointed out that this merit badge was available in l972. I was also taught that we lived in a Democracy and believed such for a very long time. All these years of being decieved. Just like in Plato's cave sitting there staring at shadows and not knowing the truth. I climbed out of the cave and saw the Light. How all these adults have been lying to me and obscuring truth. I making sure my fellow scouts don't grow up as decieved as I was.

 

On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my Country

 

Two points here. Duty to God. For the Christians in the BSA how does that square with the Marxist goal of One World government?

 

Is this not an oxymoron? First I am supposed to have duty to God but then turn around and further the Marxist goal? This is an oxymoron.

 

Second Duty to country. How can one do his duty to country when he is busy subsuming it into the One World Government? Another oxymoron!

 

See we don't have the Doric mentality of harmony between word and action. I say the words and then do something else completely opposite. That's great that is called HYPOCRISY.

 

If you are going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk. I pledge to do my duty to God and Country but then teach others and act to promote One World Government.

 

It is plain that you don't know what it means to be men. Be true to yourselves and not say the scout oath, please. It is only a man that stands behind words. An effeminate can say one thing yet do the complete opposite.

 

Here is another oxymoron. Marxist sociology is about effeminizing men. Yet supposedly the BSA program is about making men. That is why all this talk about the BSA being "about fun". Yes, keep them childlike and dumb and they will all kneel. You can't have it both ways. Either you will masculinize men or effeminize men.

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[scoutmom 10]

Huh? The BSA is promoting One World government? When did that happen? Did I miss the memo?

 

WHEELER, you are right about one thing, I don't know what it means to be a man. And you know what? I am proud to recite the Boy Scout Oath and Law every opportunity I get. I understand the Oath and the Law and I do my best to live my life by them. You don't have to be a man to do that.

 

Oh, and one more thing: as you insinuated in another thread, not all women have penis envy. Some of us are very content in the knowledge of our superiority over mere men. (No offense - as I'm sure you don't intend any offense with your posts.)

 

To the gentlemen who post on this forum: I apologize for my last comment. I truly mean no offense to you and I respect all of you for your knowledge and dedication to the Scouting movement. I just had to address this twit on this one. I will now withdraw from the fray.

[Eamonn 61]

Well Wheeler sir you have now managed to get on my very last nerve.

I am now about ready to leave you stuck at the side of the road with a flat tire if you ever get around to owning a car.

I strongly urge you to go back and visit the wise abbot and show him the absolute nonsense that you have been wasting your time posting in this forum.

I would urge all the sane people in the forum to squelch you in the hope that you will go away.

Please don't bother to reply as I'm just going to add my name to this and then squelch you.

Eamonn