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Improperly dealing with troubled scout?
JimFritzMI replied to JimFritzMI's topic in Working with Kids
First of all I would like to clarify that my son is willing to leave if and only if the troop is presented with the option of running properly and will not or can't do that. He doesn't want to leave, he has made friends here, he has become invested in the troop; however, he does want to earn his Eagle, he doesn't want it given to him. Second, I have only 10 months experience with "this" troop, yes. However if you add all of the active years of every adult leader, committee member, and parent together, they would have less than half of my active experience with BSA. I love BSA, being an E -
Improperly dealing with troubled scout?
Crew21_Adv replied to JimFritzMI's topic in Working with Kids
Jim, Greetings again! Yeah.. I've visit a few troops that had excellent basketball and football skills. My own troop was very well skilled at dodgeball for a few years back. Thank goodness our SM and additional ASMs got our troop back on track years ago. Dodgeball is still fun, but now only for 10 minutes of our hour and a half meeting, and only once a month. Again, good luck with you decisions and hopefully the boys will benefit from a better program! Scouting Forever and Venture On! Crew21 Adv -
Improperly dealing with troubled scout?
JimFritzMI replied to JimFritzMI's topic in Working with Kids
I'm prepared to go to a new troop if that is what I am asked to do. I have talked with my son about this and he doesn't want to stay, even though he has formed some great friendships, if it doesn't change. I don't want to leave though, because as I see it this troop needs me and others to help them to fix the many problems. I see this as "our" problem, and will up until the point that I am asked to leave. I know why the troop is the way it. I know that it is wrong. I don't care about that. I just want to see the scouts get the program I was so very privileged to participate in. I want the boys -
First ever National Venturing Event announcement
emb021 replied to emb021's topic in Venturing Program
Here is the announcement. FWIW, this is the event that my fellow scouter thought would be the selected event. =========forward message====== Announcing the First National Venturing Event The Venturing Officer Association of the Greater St. Louis Area Council is proud to announce that the Fall Fun Rally has been designated as the first National Venturing Event. The council is proud to sponsor this event and to open it up to Venturers from across th...e countr...y to attend. The Fall Fun Rally is the largest Venturing event held each year in the country. The Fall Fun Rally is in -
BSA Motorsports - Indy Car
Basementdweller replied to SR540Beaver's topic in Open Discussion - Program
I am ticked off. Sponsoring an IRL team costs in the neighborhood of 5 million dollars a season taken from http://www.healeymotorsports.com/sponsorship/ Here is the team http://www.dalecoyneracing.com/ I enjoy open wheel racing and have followed it for years, but please. let me see $25 per scout goes into $5 million how many times. of course the actual cost or any deals will remain top secret. So who decides on the disposition of the free tickets???? Who gets in to the hospitality tent???? I don't live anywhere near one of the tracks so how does it benefit local -
Our troop meetings are boring and not very productive
Twocubdad replied to Mafaking's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Sorry for coming late to the party, but we were camping all weekend. When OneCubSon and I joined the troop six years ago, the weekly program alternated between British Bulldog, dodgeball and an occasional game of capture the flag. When I took over as SM we went heavy into the PLC planning and executing seven-part troop meetings. We had monthly themes with the instruction time focused on the theme and the activities sometimes a little less so. We spent a great deal of time training the guys how to do the instruction and working with them individually. Unfortunately, it rarely went -
Eagle92, thats not scripted in my book, but well planned, that's the kinds of things we did with the troops...with the boy scouts doing the teaching, it was good for the boy scouts to teach and fun for the webelos to learn, while this was going on the parents who attended were talking to the scoutmaster/asst sm about what they wanted to know about. The scripted show I'm talking about was rehearsed speeches, a ceremony welcoming the webelos to the campout, hearing some asst sm's talking to boy scouts "I don't care if you don't like these kids, just do what we told you to" (I actually heard this
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Our pack hosts it's own "Summer Games" Each Monday evening (when it cooled down) was a different sport, ie soccer, softball, dodgeball, flag football, Ultimate frizbee, etc. A different parent or leader would spend 20-30 min going over the rules of the game, then the kids played for 45 min or so. Families were always welcome to play and friends as well. Neighboring packs were invited including the one for kids with disabilities. The Troop which shares the meeting location also would come out and join the cubs after they finished with their business. Everything was kept at a informal level. If
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Interesting Weeb visit...........
GKlose replied to Basementdweller's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Our troop open house for Webelos is coming up in a couple of weeks (that's kind of misleading, because a Webelos or a Webelos den could come and visit any time they want, and they'd get a pretty good picture of the troop -- but this particular meeting coming up is being specifically organized for recruiting). I think the troop committee realizes that last year was a little too low-key, there wasn't much thought put into recruiting, and my son was the only one out of 20-some Webelos in town that joined this troop. So this year, a little more focus is being placed on recruiting. But -- last -
Hello Bob White, You wrote - "Since when is it the unit leaders role to deliver what the kids "expect" rather than deliver the scouting program? If they expect to be able to play dodge ball for 90 minutes a week is that what you are going to do? Adult leadership does not mean the abdication of leadership to the will of the youth members." Looking back at my posting I see why you may have read it this way. It was not my intent to say in any way that we should not be delivering the program as designed. Far from it, I am a firm belieiver that using the methods of Scouting to ach
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I can't provide a list of rules but there have been many ridiculous rules already noted on this thread I was not aware of, rules that provide little to no safety benefit that help get some percieved laibility off someone's shoulders but make doing or organizing an activity difficult. Do I try to put on a safe program...you bet, I also try to put on a program that teaches my scouts the fundementals we are trying to achive, hard enough in these days where parents and kids want out the easy way all the time. I sometimes read here and elsewhere of scouters who seem to derive some sort of pride o -
Setting Expectations, Attendance
highcountry replied to BrentAllen's topic in Open Discussion - Program
I don't think it's just as simple as scouts is less interesting than band etc. Example 1....I have a scout (Almost 17) who suggested a Mountain Bike outing, several other older scouts supported the idea and it made the calendar. I was fine with adding it even though experience has showed that only ONE Bike related trip over the past 4 years in our troop was NOT cancelled. Now the scout who proposed it is heavily involved in Baseball with a rigorous game and practice schedule, he will likely not go to the event and there are only a handful MAYBE who will go. The problem is not alweays simpl -
Hi, Been there! I have a den of 12 Webelos II's. We have been together as a group since Wolf. They are a HIGH ENERGY group. If you don't have something for them to do, they WILL invent their own activity! Some things that have worked for me, your mileage may vary... 1. Divide and conquer. I NEVER have any activity for 12 boys. They can't/won't sit and listen. I split them into 3 or 4 groups. They rotate to 3 or 4 different stations. These stations are manned by parents, ADL and a Den Chief. It is much harder to cut up when you are in a group of 3. Plus you get to pick t
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Bevah, Thanks for the advice. I would like to say I do try and introduce new ideas or fun with the younger boys on the camp outs. Tried to do a dutch oven cooking demo but that got blown out of the water as thats the SM "thingy". As for projecting my attitude towards my son and influencing his decision for "should we stay or should we go now" as proclaimed by The Clash, I let him choose as this is for him. He came up to me and said "Hey Pop, how come we dont do anything in the meetings except play these dumb games like dodgeball? When are we going to learn something?" Mind you my so
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Hi All, Our Webelos II den participated with a local Troop in a joint camp out. It was a lot of fun and the Troop did a wonderful job. Thought I would post the details in case anyone else was looking for ideas. The Boy Scouts camped out Friday night at a local camp and set up tents and equipment for the visiting Webelos. The Webelos arrived Saturday morning. The Webelos and their parents could set up their own tent or use Troop provided tents. The troop also had sleeping pads and heavy weight sleeping bags as well. During the day on Saturday the boys did the following events:
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What Does Boy Run / Boy Led REALLY Mean?
EagleInKY replied to PeteM's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Barry, You took the words almost directly out of my mouth. We are involved in both scouts and church youth group. Our church youth group is very active and there are often schedule conflicts. I let my son choose which wins, and I would guess scouts win 3 out of 4 times. He loves scouts and he loves his youth group. What he loves about his youth group is the fun, fellowship, spiritual "lift" and the fact that he doesn't have to do much other than show up. What he loves about scouts is the fun, fellowship, emotional "lift" and the sense of accomplishment he gets from planning and carry -
Hi, Whatever you plan, keep them moving. They won't sit still for long. My guys like food, fire, building things, tearing things apart, any form of tag, capture the flag, or dodgeball. At our last den campout we made marshmellow catapults for the engineer badge. Though we didn't make them like in the Webelos book. We used a mouse trap, big pink erasers, a plastic spoon and a whole lot of duct tape. It was amazing how long they shot marshmellows around the cabin. Do a hike with a purpose, an astronomy hike, or a Geocache type hike, night hike to identify as many critters as
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When is it time to fold a Troop?
OneHour replied to gwd-scouter's topic in Open Discussion - Program
gwd-scouter ... you asked: "Why then did they not choose us?" Have you talked to them and their parents? Have you tried to persuade them what a good thing that y'all have and that they can make it better with their expertise? What is it that you don't have that they are looking for? Have you focussed your effort on the Den Leader and his/her son? Have you taken them out on outings and so them the fun that your boys have? Befriend with the leadership in the Pack and constantly put your troop's face in front of the pack! Have you gotten in touch with other packs? Nowaday ... fee -
We would have a lock-in. They do as they want, movies, basketball, dodgeball, Nintendo, Playstation, Xbox, whatever they decide that they want to do all night long! Our church has a huge gym ... so it is nice! We also hold a lock-in at the rock climbing gym, but that could get costly! The only thing that costs us during the Church lock-in is parental's sleep! Tried the mb thing one time at the lock-in ... didn't go far!
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Eamonn- I have to say that I am seeing the exact same thing here. Many of the people I now see joining seem to only be worried about their son and the main focus seems to be on advancement with the goal of reaching Eagle rank ASAP and then moving on. Even more sad it that while these adults do bring what skills and talents they have to Scouting, they never really take the time to really understand how things are supposed to work. I have to add that when someone comes along and wants to deliver a good Scout program, these people dont want it. I was in a unit that didnt do fundrai
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Since we don't have cable T.V. or sattelite, my family doesn't watch much T.V. We seldom go to movies, but if we do, it's always a matinee. Since I quit my full time job, we have to pinch pennies, but we do occasionally rent movies. We take our kids to our local community center every Friday night for basketball, dodgeball or swimming. If we didn't do that, then the boys would just want to play video games. (They have to earn their own money for the games, or wait for birthdays or Christmas for new games.) I only know of one other family who does not have sattelite or cable T
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That's the problem. They can't tell me. Here are some that we didn't band them, but advise them that either they find ways to satisfy G2SS or they should consider another event: - Laser Zone - Tubing (also without PFDs) - White water rafting (untrained nor planned) - Canoeing on moving water (w/o prior training or planning) - Jump over open campfire (apparent it was done before my time with the troop to 'initiate' new scouts) These are just the ones that I assumed. Pressing the question to one of them. All that he could come up with is tubing! There are games that we recomm
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We go to the Recreation Center of two different colleges every year. One in the Spring and one in the Fall. Beside swimming, we play racketball, basketball, dodgeball,etc. We always invite the Webelos. During the winter, we usually go to a local high school to swim once or twice. And sometimes on trips, usually on the way home, we will stop at a recreation center to take a swim. It is a great way to bring the scouts home clean!
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Fostering Patrol Identification and Patrol Spirit
DugNevius replied to CNYScouter's topic in The Patrol Method
one thing our troop does that ive talked about here is a troop olympics. The scouts compete as individuals as well as by patrol. Ten events in each catagory. Some of the things we do are cooking contestes, relay races with back packs, lashing, jerry jug relays, tarp set up and other scouting skills. The winners go up on a trophey. At weekly meetings we try to set aside time for games. Dodgeball, basketball, races, manhunt... This can be done by patrol. Each patrol has seperate equipment, tents, tarps, pots, stoves, etc that they use on trips and take care of. On trips patrols -
1) Scouting is advancing. Problem is, if it isnt fun scouts dont stick around. In our troop we have a game every meeting for 15-30 minutes. Sometimes its scouting related, other times its just sports like basketball or dodgeball. Sometimes some adults forget what Boy-run really means and that the program is for the scouts first, not for the adults. You need to voice your opinion about this problem to the scoutmasters the way you did here on this forum. Take charge. 2) One month minimum a year set aside as strictly patrol trips. Each patrol leader orginizes a trip for exclusivly his patrol
