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  1. Growing up and workign at , Camp V-Bar at Salmen Scout Reservation in Perkinston MS had the last 2 periods for free swimming, boating, and shooting sports. So kids had time for "me." Camp my son has went to for the past 2 years only offered one period of free swim. BUT they had a waterslide. I was told they had some evening sessions of free shooting, but that didn't cover archery. They also had some awesome activities in the evenings: water fest, dodgeball, BMX track, etc.
  2. Let's call this program C.I.R -- Counselor In Retirement -- which bookends nicely with Counselor In Training. Or Curmudgeon in Repose. Maybe Crabby Individual Resting. I'm sure the Scouts will find more fitting titles. Over the years there have been more weeks than not where I've been presses into service as a MBC for at least part of the week if not all. That's not really what I'm talking about. That's fine for an emergency fill-in, but as noted above, too inconsistent.to build a program around. Myself, I have no problem staying busy during the troop's week at camp.. It takes a lot o
  3. My son's troop pretty much plays dodgeball every meeting, if there is time.
  4. Our district does this annually at the local Boys & Girls club. They have basketball, dodgeball, etc in the gym; a game room with ping pong, billiards, board games, etc; a computer room; movies in a lounge. They even have an actual indoor archery range (couldn't be a unit-level activity). They serve plenty of pizza and junk food. No formal advancement activities like KDD's. Usually draws a pretty good crowd.
  5. Honestly each of their own advancement is their own business. The PLC decides on the program and the morning program was cut short because of the weather. snow and hiking 6 miles just didn't work out. Every second of the camp out is not planned, we do not do a formal campfire program because the boys think it is stupid. There is plenty of time for magic, or pokemon cards. My issue is the entire PLC disappeared for an hour into a tent to play cards...... so to your question could the PLC have canceled the afternoon program, minutes before hand......Short of s
  6. This spring, high school students set up a dodgeball tournament to raise money for the local children's hospital. They charged $10 per person. People had to put their own teams together. The teams were organized by age. I hate dodgeball, but I love the idea of kickball tournament. I'm toying with the idea of organizing the teams with mixed ages because I'm not sure I'll get enough people to form up enough teams if I sort them out by age, but I'm not sure mixed-age teams will work. The bigger boys will likely walk all over the smaller boys. I'm also thinking this should be a charit
  7. I've taken a couple bites at answering this, but the answer for our troop isn't as straight-forward as it would seem. The troop has undergone a lot of change in the eight years I've been SM and one of the biggest has been moving from a rookie SM to one with eight years experience. Short answer is we reorganize patrols about every two years. The longer version of that is that how patrols are populated has evolved considerably over the years. When my older son crossed over 10 years ago, there wasn't much method to the troop of any description. Only two campout between crossover i
  8. Hi all My wife and I took a train from Oklahoma City to Ft Worth with some friends last weekend and on the train with us were Girls Scouts. I dont know their age, but I would guess about 10 years old. It was interesting listening to other passengers talk about the girls, they didnt know what group the girls belonged with. Until you got close enough to read Girl Scouts on their green T-shirt, they just looked like any other group of girls with the same color T-shirts. That got me reflecting back on a movie Dodgeball. Its a silly movie about adults playing a professional version of the
  9. One good round of Full contact Boy Scout Dodgeball will pretty much clear any room! When I finish up a Pack Meeting, I'll do my CM minute, we'll do the closing flag ceremony, and then I tell EVERYBODY in the room, nobody leaves until they grab at least 1 chair and put it away. I also like to remind them that our CO has been gracious enough to let us use THEIR gym, and we are guests of the church and must act as so. The boys still will want to play with the stuff in the gym and I still have to remind them to put it away. During the Pack Meeting, build up to the crescendo of the Meetin
  10. SeattlePioneer writes: I see the religious impulse rather widely exploited for use in public schools. Among other things, it's ironic that secularism is preached as part of this new state religion. Hysterical blather doesn't cut it. REVEREND ML King is a SECULAR saint? Earth day is a religious holiday (so why isn't school out on that day)? One might point to sex education classes as being an example of the catechism of public education on that subject. One might point to dodgeball as an example of promoting nuclear fission, but only if one is a lunatic.
  11. Weekly meetings throughout the year, with occasional exceptions for major holidays. One meeting a month is a "fun night" of dodgeball/basketball/swimming/etc at a community facility. Troop Weekend (2-day) campouts every month except July, plus summer camp (July). Leadership corp has its own events a couple time a year. Troop plans a high adventure option for older scouts at least once a year. Some patrols do their own day events and overnighters, often at somebody's house or on somebody's property. Frequency varies across patrols. Some scouts/leaders also do OA we
  12. Basementdweller: I don't mean to be without compassion. I am a woman, but I have two sons. And the thing of it is, is that most of life for a kid this days is much more geared towards girls than boys. Take school for instance. They demand that kids sit still for HOURS at a time paying attention and doing work at their desks. There's only 20 mins of recess. How can anyone honestly expect a boy to do that without acting out? Even sports get girlysized. In PE they can no longer play dodgeball, or tag since someone might get hurt. I look forward to their scouting moments when they can be
  13. A little different persepctive here. I took over the troop from a very young Scoutmaster. The boys loved him. He was like an older brother coming home from college who taught you how to drive his stick and let you borrow his Old Spice and gave you pointers for dates. But any resembalance to a Boy Scout program was purely coincidental. No troop programs. If you had the ambition, you could attend a MB class run by a mom, otherwise it was either dodgeball or British Bulldog every week. PLC never met. Rarely camped. Oh, they did a lot of fun activities, but everyone -- Scoutmaster i
  14. About once every four or five years we give the first year program at our camp a try. I've been disappointed every time we do. The biggest problem I see with the program is staffing. It always ends up being a dumping ground for the youngest, least skilled staff. T-2-1 skills can be taught by the 14-16 y.o. staff, right? Not necessarily and not necessarily well. I've got 14y.o. troop guides at home working for free. Why pay for summer camp? The new guys deserve more. Second problem is class size. Our camp figures 8 guys is a patrol is standard, right? That may work for a 90 m
  15. While looking for a new troop, don't just look for a troop that is exactly what you are leaving (during it's good times).. You will not find the perfect sister ship.. It would be great if a troop was healthy, but did a few things different then your old group.. You can't go in with the mindset of changing it, but if you adapt to how they run, you may be able to take your 14 years of knowledge and slowly offer a suggestion or two from your old troop, that will fix a problem they recognize, but don't know how to fix. Also if a troop is small and either starting out, or on a recovery fr
  16. TwoCubDad - The other activities are I fear the hint to the BSA Soccer leagues.. Next will be the Dodgeball & Basketball leagues.. Gee, Moose, thanks a lot. I hadn't thought of it that way. Great. Or to quote Slim Pickens (Mr. Taggart) in Blazing Saddles, "I am de-pressed."
  17. I knew we were getting restrictive, but the way Beavah listed it, gives you pause to wonder (but not too long or I might get sick..) Yes we can still do alot of things.. But the BSA hook is not to be able to promote just paintball or just ATV's.. Just as it isn't to be solely to promote hiking, or just to promote canoeing.. Or dare I say it.. To just promote ... soccer... ick.. I guess some Ventures are that way.. I know troops can lean heavily toward a preference. I know one troop that was more hiking.. but did other things.. One that was so into white water they got their own rafts
  18. Wow, not really new to scouting but new here. I have asked a few opinions and really valued the advice that I have been given. I have been in scouting for 6 years now, and have seen some amazing stuff from the scouts, and some really insane stuff from the parents. We started in one pack, and ended up leaving that pack because it didn't work for my son. We moved to another and it fit us much better. But, when my son graduated to boy scouts out of cubbies, we ran into the problems of sexism and scouters that have been in the program for so long they have lost sight of the goals and methods a
  19. Here is what I would suggest: 1) Get your son into a new Troop - one that does things right - or form a new Troop - and don't be afraid to recruit from the old Troop - surely, your son isn't the only one who is tired of Troop meetings being all dodgeball all the time. 2) Stop doing joint fundraisers, outings, anything between the Pack and the Troop - separate them administratively and progamatically. 3) Contact the DC and tell him you want a new UC assigned to the Pack. Given that the DC appears to know what's going on, the DC should have no problem with this. If the DC balk
  20. I didn't sense so much of a "grudge" tone in your report, conscouter. More of a "what-the-heck." There was a lot of extra baggage included, but I think the bottom line is that you are dealing with a very dysfunctional unit in it's current state. Two big things. Very little program. Dodgeball is fun, but is not a Scout meeting. And the second is adults who are either under-trained or who defiantly choose to ignore the training..and the methods...and the Scout Handbook..and... I suspect the latter. I would choose the headaches of starting up a new troop and attempting to do it right, than t
  21. Okay, this will be a long one. Understand I am going to outline everything, and eveything I have found wrong I have addressed in committee, and the responses I have gotten are 'it ain't broke we aren't going to fix it' ... and the like. 5 years ago, we started with one pack, my son got his bobcat, but they failed to recognize him or give him his patch over the course of 3 pack meetings. Finally the patch was given to me at Scouting for food to give to him, and he was never formally recognized. We switched packs (the second time he was passed over he was in tears). The pack we moved
  22. So now you went and confused me again Beavah.. Are these groups that have conciously defined themselves as using the BSA program to run a youth outreach program, or are thes groups that are running a social outreach program and thinking they are running a QUALITY BSA program? If they have conciously chosen to run it as a youth outreach program, they should be able to articulate that to anyone who joins and then is dismayed over the fact that it is not being run the way the expect it to be. As for anything that signs up will be accepted as a BSA program. That is true, BSA will take an
  23. To paraphrase a few BSA "guidelines", Scouting is intended to help our young people learn to make good ethical decisions. Along the way, they should also learn some skills and techniques that can keep them hale and healthy both in wild and urban settings, and perhaps help others in poor circumstances. They should be able to take pride in those skills. The rank awards (and others, like Tottin' Chip) give witness to those skills (or should). If the boys in the Troop seem to be lax in their skills, then tutelege and practice is in order. Games? Sounds like they are good at dodgeball. No need fo
  24. Jim.. I missed this comment by you entirely. " Once again I am looking for advice in approaching the leaders and parents in the committee meeting. I already have talked with the scouts on numerous occasions, they want the change, they are willing to work at it. The scouts themselves have told me the reason they don't go to the camporees is that they do so poorly, and who wants to go to a competition that you aren't prepared for, over and over again. I just want to come away from the meeting Thursday, with at the very least tacit approval so I am not banging my head against the wall. "
  25. Here is what I see causes change. 1) Mass exodous of the youth, either out of scouting or to another unit. 2) Scouts over the age of 14 or 15 are dropping like flys and they are always a young troop. ie.. Reasons that the current leadership start to ask themselves "What are we doing wrong?" or get honest answers from scouts leaving as to why they are leaving.. They then choose for themselves to change. 3) A new Scoutmaster or COR one with the ideas to turn the Troop into a real Boy Scout troop. That is about all that I can think of that will turn a bad troop with no interes
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