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  1. The Family Camp at Chicago's Owasippe is splendid. The family camp (Camp Reneker) is a 60-year-old operation that was built to accommodate the families of "on duty" Scouters. The Chicago-area Scouters camp with the Troop and the families have their own special program at the family camp. Owasippe hires about 10 college students, who conduct a summer program targeted to 6 age groupings ranging from 4-year-olds through high school. The 40 cabins have kitchens, living rooms, and two bedroom spaces, with nearby shower houses. The family camp has its own pool, activity shelter, tennis court, b
  2. Summer Camp Experiences GREAT This Year Nothing is ever perfect, but my 2 experiences at summer camps this year showed me that we are moving in the right direction. I dropped my beautiful daughter off at Owasippe (reservation for Chicago area located in SW Michigan) to serve as a CIT and stayed 5 days with my wife. The spirit of the Scouts and Scouters could not have been better. Only 4 campsites remained available for the entire summer. Demand is through the roof. Better yet, there was relief and optimism on the part of the Scouters I met about the departure from bankruptcy. C
  3. Council Executive Boards and Council Executive Committees (subcommittees of the Executive Board consisting of the principal officers) meet in private with members only, plus special guests who make presentations on pending topics. CORs belong to the Council, which meets to elect the Executive Board during the annual business meetings. Including numbers of non-members in Executive Board or Executive Committee meetings is disfavored due to confidentiality issues. Non-members attending would not be bound to confidentiality and would further expect to express viewpoints and arguments. Well
  4. The principal thought about Scouts BSA for girls is that it is so dramatically different as a program from GSUSA at the 11-18 age group that we are not in competition with them. I do not believe the girls in our troop would be happy in a GSUSA unit because they are looking for the rigorous and frequent outdoor programming we offer. I recall being shocked by the fighting words used by their national leadership when we first opened to girls. They have not been harmed by our program opening to girls and I was surprised they were not more confident in their own offerings at the time.
  5. A few responses to recent posts. As background, I’ve been on two council boards (a small council and one of the largest in the country, on which I served as Council President) and was directly involved in dealing with needed property closures and sales – but we did it the right way. Everything was public and transparent more than a year in advance and all adult and youth members were given multiple rounds of opportunities to give input to the decisions – and changes reflecting that input were made. Not everyone is going to be happy in these and other contested situations, but when Scouters
  6. I posted many times about our Family Camp for Pathway to Adventure Council (Chicago). This is located at historic Owasippe Scout Reservation at "Camp Reneker". While it is a specifically-developed facility and program apart from the Scouts BSA program areas, it is popular and a great offering for our Scouting families. We are in a new era for the business-side of camp operations and will need the income stream to maintain our camps in the post-bankruptcy era.
  7. Some camps (at least Owasippe and maybe another) I have heard of have a camp / campsite for this. It is hard work, but, nothing stopping you.
  8. Which BSA properties have you been to this summer and how did it go? No serious discussion allowed in this posting! No bankruptcy, YPT, membership standards, COVID, fingers-getting-severed, "I don't like the professionals", "they sold my camp" and other potentially distressing discussion allowed under penalty of getting jello thrown in your face! For me, I have had two separate one-week stays at the spectacular 5,000-acre Goshen Scout Reservation in Virginia, just south of Shenandoah National Park. The first week was with our all-girl Troop. My wife (an ASM) and Star Scout daughter
  9. A scout camp, perhaps the oldest, saved and restored. It took concerned scouters, local government, legal action, zoning, a change in council leadership, funding, and volunteers. "With its future secure, Owasippe Scout Reservation will receive $1 million in improvements before the next camping season, according to an official with the Chicago Area Council of Boy Scouts of America." "The future of Owasippe had been in question several years ago when the council had a $19 million offer from a Holland-area businessman for the property. But plans to sell the 4,800-acre property were derailed
  10. Yes, the Owasippe Scout Reservation was saved. Owasippe Staff Association and Owasippe Outdoor Education Center members were big winners in this negotiated slate. I find it somewhat ironic that the CO's ended up losing some of their voting strength in the council when the members-at-large were "greatly expanded". This was a poor reward for stepping up and supporting the opposition. I have mixed feeling about the results. I'm glad that Owasippe was saved, but I am disappointed that opposition leaders double-crossed the CO's in the negotiations. The CO's never got the free and fair elect
  11. Great question. Here is the answer. Over the coming years small facilities will be added to the bases to allow family members to come and experience the sites in a family-appropriate way. This can take place at the time a unit visits or entirely unconnected with a unit visit. A program track for youngsters will be offered. They have been doing this for a long time at Philmont and at the iconic Owasippe Scout Reservation, the pristine 5,000-acre preserve for Chicagoland and Northwest Indiana (the Pathway to Adventure Council). Owasippe has operated its family camp for 55 years and has 40
  12. The Chicago Area Council has tonight voted to see off the entire 4,700 acres of the Owasippe camp near Muskegon, MI. CAC has owned this camp since 1911, and it has provided thousands of boys with a wonderful camping experience in a truly beautiful setting. Unfortunately, the CAC has let dollar signs cloud their visions of what scouting is truly about. This pristine, tranquil paradise will now suffer the scars of development, and our scouts in the Chicago Area Council will have one less camping possibility. In fact, the CAC now owns absolutely no camping facilities. For the past seve
  13. However, without the qualifier "Available", that statement isn't very useful. Regardless of what many folks would like to believe, many of those assets are restricted (certainly not all of them though). And even where they aren't restricted, they often wouldn't end up on the table in anything but a liquidation. Quite frankly, even among those assets LCs have been selling, I suspect if you actually looked into the past you'd find out the properties were donated on the condition that they be used as scout camps but they've managed to skate by and get them sold without the families involv
  14. I am an optimist and view things quite directly and simply. There are very lengthy and detailed discussions about the addition of female members and the concept of "Family Scouting" that anyone on this site can go back and read. I carefully followed the debate and read the surveys that were widely distributed back then and was convinced that admitting siblings who were girls into separate Troops was the right way to go. I'm not going to go back and re-discuss that content, other than to say it was very convincing and made common sense. The Family Scouting policy did not change one word
  15. Who wanted more "independent" information? Other independent reports. Note the web site link. Explore away. Ron is quite forthcoming about the situation there - as are other CAC members. Note - Ron was "suspended" from BSA for his efforts fighting this sale. So much for members having any voice in BSA. The Scarlet Sassafras - Special Edition Blast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ August 30, 2005 - http://scarlet_sassafras.tripod.com Opening Quotes: "A Scout Is Courteous" ... the 5th point of the Scout Law. The third principle of the Scout Oath..."to k
  16. Napowan will be sold off by the PAC (merged old Chicago Area plus others). They recommend going to Owasippe. https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Camp-Napowan-Property-Update.html?soid=1127193000603&aid=9Y0yimgjomo
  17. My son and I had a chance to make a short visit to the Chicago Area Councils Owasippe Scout Camp yesterday. Folks were nice and it seems like a nice facility. They have two summer camps. One is a cook your own meals camp and the other is a dining hall facility. Has anyone attended Owasippe? How was your experience? Ken
  18. Many of those people were banned from scouting for non-sexual reasons. I knew someone who was banned for protesting a camp closure (Owasippe) while in uniform. I thought there was something blatantly unfair about the process. The council guys could appear in uniform to speak in support of selling the camp, but the opponents were told they could not wear the uniform. Double standard. I believe he was banned for opposing the sale, not for wearing the uniform. That was just the excuse they used to get rid of him. Some people are talking about the IV files as if everyone who was
  19. From today's Chicago Tribune. Boy Scouts decide to hang on to Michigan campground By Gerry Smith | Tribune reporter November 9, 2008 The Chicago Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America said Friday it has decided not to sell part of its Owasippe Scout Reservation, a sprawling campground in Michigan where area Scouts have attended summer camp since 1911. In a statement, the Boy Scouts said backing away from the sale to an investor group based in Holland, Mich., gives them "the flexibility to determine the future direction" of the reservation about 200 miles from Chicago.
  20. I seem to remember that the courts have already ruled that Owasippe can not be sold unless it was a camp. The new owners could not develop it due to zoning. I think this was in federal courts. This was part of the whole Chicago Area Council attempt to get money that resulted in several court cases, 2 different executive boards, the scout exec being fired, CAC with condtional charter and several million spent on lawyers already.
  21. Family camping at our properties is a great idea. A few camps like the iconic Owasippe Scout Reservation in Michigan (the Reservation that serves Scouting for the greater Chicagoland metropolitan area) have dedicated facilities that are run like this for the entire season. That council has been doing it successfully for 55 years. More of this kind of offering will further establish us as the full-family option and will cause Scouts to spend a week with their family in addition to their Troop’s week of traditional camp. At Owasippe the families of Scouters have been simultaneously staying i
  22. My troop was possibly interested in going to Camp Owasippe summer 2007. It sounds like a terrific camp, based on the brochure. Having been to camps in councils that were having financial difficulties, can someone who has been there in the last couple years speak to the condition of the physical facilities at the camp? Thanks
  23. Yep. Search Owasippe here in Scouter dot com. It was an adventure to read, for sure. The CORs managed to wake alot of people up. The local county zoning board managed to take control of their county and by refusing to rezone the property in essence prevented the camp from becoming a lake resort. But Chicago Council still managed to sell off two of their three camp properties before National pulled the strings. I forget, who got the profits there? The CORs are the voting corporate board of a council.
  24. LH writes: "I can only figure that your are referring to the sale of Owasippe Lake which to my knowledge occurred after the change in tax assessment, and some say as a result of the reassessment. Land adjacent to CAC's as I understand it was NOT reassessed at the higher rate at that time. That is to say all the property in that area of that zoning type was not reassessed at that time." I am refering to the CAC disposal of about 8,000 acres of Owasippe property which included Owasippe Lake and all of the Owasippe property that was between that Lake and the current Western boundary of
  25. Family Camping. Our traditional programs will continue to be our traditional programs. Mom, Dad, little Ken and the dog will not attend Scouts BSA and Venturing campouts. However, the camps that we end up retaining through bankruptcy will fully welcome family camping in the designated family camping areas. And yes, we'll get family camping fees when these wonderful Scouting-supporters use our best facilities (because we will only keep the very best after the downsizing). And yes, we'll finally get better utilization of our facilities as a result. Some of our best camps, like Owasippe, ha
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