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David CO

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  1. If the COR had not informed the IH that one of the CO's units failed to recharter on time, then he is not doing his job.

    The council would not give a time extension on the recharter unless the Chartered Organization assured them that it intended to revitalize the unit.

  2. 1 hour ago, Cubber said:

    The CC/COR and I both agree we are here to support the boys and their families in their scouting experience as our first priority. He is a good person, extremely dedicated to scouting, with a long history in the BSA.  I respect him and his authority. We just currently disagree on the this issue, and I am confident we can reach an understanding that works for everyone.

    Thank you everyone. Here's hoping two reasonable adults with the same goal can work out the details. 

    That might all depend on whether or not the IH has decided to chime in. 

    It would not surprise me if the Chartered Organization has been informed that one of its units is about to lose its charter. This directive may have come from the top.

  3. 1 hour ago, Cubber said:

    With all due respect to our CC and COR, I volunteered with this CO sponsored pack to represent the BSA and it's program, not the interests of the CO and the COR. 

    If this is how you feel, then you owe it to your COR to be straight with him. Your COR can then decide if he wants to have a CM who refuses to acknowledge his authority.

  4. 3 minutes ago, CalicoPenn said:

    I get where you're coming from but I think you have the right answer to the wrong question.

    You could be right. I wasn't entirely sure of the question. Who is us, the leaders or the parents? I took my best guess.

  5. 1 hour ago, numbersnerd said:

    Oh, I get that. It just that his stance, like the one the OP is getting, appears to be more about protecting turf than serving the best interests of the boys. 

    The OP asked us if the CC had the right to do it. The only responsible answer is an unqualified yes. The Chartered Organization, through its chain of command from IH to COR to CC, does have that right. I wouldn't want to get a scout leader into hot water by giving him false information, and having him act on it. That is not helpful.

    If the COR or CC had posted on this forum asking our opinions on what he should do, I may have given them a slightly different answer.

    My stance, as always, is that the Chartered Organization owns the unit. Yes, that is the turf I protect.

  6. 1 hour ago, numbersnerd said:

    It just comes off as as petty if you would tell a DL he can't take the den, as a DL, to another CO's troop meeting. 

    That would be like Macy's sending Christmas shoppers to Gimbel's. What kind of crazy person would do that?

  7. 5 minutes ago, numbersnerd said:

    Would you really be supportive of that kind of restriction on activities?  Yes, they could do it individually, but making it unnecessarily difficult runs counter to scouting ideals.

    Absolutely, I would. Other units have the right to recruit from our unit, but we are under no obligation to provide them with the funds, equipment, volunteers, or access to meeting space to do it in. They're on their own.

    I don't think this runs counter to scouting ideals. 

  8. 3 hours ago, Cubber said:

    We are very fortunate to have several troops inviting us for visits with their troops.

    If by saying us, you are talking about individual scouts visiting other troops on their own (not as a Webelos den), then I don't see any problem. 

    If you are thinking of using the funds, equipment, and volunteers of your Chartered Organization to recruit for some other CO's unit, then I would say that such an action would be highly unethical. 

     

  9. 3 hours ago, Cubber said:

    My question is: does the committee chair have the right to direct us to transition to a particular troop, especially if it has no boys in it? 

    Yes. As a cub master,  you volunteered to support the scouting program of the Chartered Organization. It is not unreasonable for your CO to expect you to promote both of their registered units. You should agree to speak up for the troop.

    I am not saying that you should lie to the scouts or their parents. Be truthful. Tell them that it is their choice, but leave no doubt in anyone's mind that you volunteer for and support the CO's units.

     

     

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  10. 4 minutes ago, WisconsinMomma said:

    The CO is nearly completely uninvolved.  It would be nice if they were more involved.  I don't even know who our COR is.  I asked once and the answer was nebulous. 

    That's the problem. When a CO is uninvolved, it creates a power vacuum, and people start politicking and jockeying for position. That's not good.

     

  11. 3 hours ago, WisconsinMomma said:

    We have several other old parents but most of them are low key, one more that's sticking around seems to think that it's still their business to do a lot of talking about how the Troop should be run.  Like, why?  Why is this your business if your kid is long gone and you are not volunteering in any way?   Now this outspoken person is connected in the community and I know that has value, there is value to old Scouters experience, but it's not their place to direct the Scoutmaster or try to control policies and funding, etc.

    Why is it their business?  Why is it their place? Well, that would all depend on their registered positions, wouldn't it? 

    My simple answer is that the Chartered Organization gets to choose the unit leadership. Whether they be young or old, experienced or inexperienced,  energetic or laid-back, parent or non-parent, male or female, the CO gets to choose. The authority to make decisions for the unit is based on a scouter's registered position, not on any of these other personal traits.

  12. 1 hour ago, perdidochas said:

    Sad to say, it's because for whatever reason, scouters have a worse reputation in terms of molesters than do coaches.  

    Yes they do.

    My CO applies the same policy about physical contact to both coaches and scouters, but we get a lot more pushback from the scouters than we do from the coaches.  

    I don't think we would catch as much flack from coaches and parents if we were to ask them to stop flipping the young athletes at awards ceremonies. They would be far more compliant, and they would give many fewer complaints.

    I think the public might be less suspicious of scouters if they were seen to be more agreeable to accepting the restrictions placed on them by their CO's.

     

  13. Just now, Tampa Turtle said:

    Well that simplifies things. Yeah that no hugging rule gonna be real hard for Troops when teenage girls arrive in force IMHO. 

    I don't know why. The boys and girls seem to be able to follow the rules during school hours and other after-school activities. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly lose their self-control at scouting activities.

    I have my own objections to the inclusion of girls in scouting, but they have nothing to do with potential for rule violations.

  14. On 12/9/2017 at 9:41 AM, Eagledad said:

    I agree. Most parents in those days “expected” their kids to move on after age 18 or high school graduation, whatever came first. 

    I grew up in an extended family with 4 generations living under the same roof. It wasn't quite like The Waltons, though. We had much better insulation (soundproofing) in the walls. Good night, John-boy!

    I always considered the extended family living arrangement to be very traditional, perhaps even quaint. I never thought of it as a modern lifestyle.

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