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  1. 1 hour ago, ianwilkins said:


    It seems to work. Aye, it's a compromise,  but life doesn't have to be yes/no black/white, and that's ok.


    That not the way things work in the States.  We have a winner-take-all sort of system.  It permeates both our politics and our social activities.  If you don't win, you lose.  There is no compromise.

    If the atheists win, the religious people lose.  Religion will be banned from scouting, just like prayer was banned from school.  If we don't ban them, they will ban us.  That's the way it is.

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  2. 4 minutes ago, Pale Horse said:

    But people like me who simply believe we shouldn't take actions to harm others and should treat others as we would want to be treated have no place in Scouts because our morals aren't derived from a believe in a god?


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  3. 26 minutes ago, ParkMan said:

    Rather than us being so caught up in the extremes on each side, how can we craft a program that permits both perspectives to coexist. 

    We can't.  It will eventually have to be all of one thing or all of the other.  

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  4. 1 hour ago, scoutldr said:

    I would submit that perhaps the wrong word is being used in the Scout Law and is not specific enough.

    It is specific enough.  For a hundred years, scouts have understood its meaning.  It is only recently that people have labored to distort its meaning.  When people are determined to distort the clear meaning of words, no words can be sufficient to convey the meaning of the scout law.

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  5. 3 hours ago, Liz said:

    This is an excerpt from the Scouts for Equality webpage, describing their position on reverence. I feel it is well reasoned and well argued. 


    It says, "We believe Scouting is a force more powerful than one person or one religion."  I find this statement to be both arrogant and offensive.  Scouting is not a more powerful force than my religion.  

    I think this quote just goes to prove Barry's point.


  6. 9 hours ago, Liz said:

    Then again, I work with Safe Kids USA and am perhaps more acutely aware of the kinds of things that cause preventable injuries in kids. 

    I am a Health teacher.  My degree is in Health Education, which includes Safety Education.  I like to think I know a thing or two about safety.

    I teach moderation.  In my nutrition unit, for example, I recommend eating a sensible, steady diet.  No binging.  No crash diets.  No fad diets.  Just eat all the food groups in moderation.

    I have very similar views on safety.  It doesn't make sense to practice total safety in one environment, like scouting or school, and then practice very little safety at home or at sports/recreational activities.  It makes more sense to have the same reasonable level of safety everywhere.  

    The standard of safety used to be what a reasonable person would do.  We need to go back to that standard, and stop bubble wrapping our kids at the command of the lawyers and bean counters.



  7. The titles of President and CEO sound a lot more businesslike than Chief Scout Executive.  Coming from a business background, he probably just prefers that title.  I wouldn't be surprised if we see title changes for everyone else, too.  I have always thought it very odd that we call the lowest paid, least experienced, entry level positions "District Executive".  We all know they're not executives.

  8. I would have liked to hear him speak about the relationship between BSA and the Chartered Organizations.  He talked about BSA.  He talked about families.  He talked about a changing world.  But he didn't talk about the Chartered Organizations.  Perhaps this indicates a viewpoint that the Chartered Organization has an insignificant role in the future of scouting.

  9. 34 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:

    * scouts and their families join scouting to get "the scouting program".  

    That's nonsense.  Most boys join scouting just to have fun.  They neither know about or care about the details of the scouting program.  It's only the most die-hard scouters (who eat, breath, and sleep scouting) who care to scrutinize and religiously adhere to every nit-picking detail of the program, making scouting activities boring and tedious for the rest of us.  

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