David CO

If the COR had not informed the IH that one of the CO's units failed to recharter on time, then he is not doing his job. The council would not give a time extension on the recharter unless the Chartered Organization assured them that it intended to revitalize the unit.

That might all depend on whether or not the IH has decided to chime in. It would not surprise me if the Chartered Organization has been informed that one of its units is about to lose its charter. This directive may have come from the top.

I think it has now been made clear that it is the question being asked.

If this is how you feel, then you owe it to your COR to be straight with him. Your COR can then decide if he wants to have a CM who refuses to acknowledge his authority.

You could be right. I wasn't entirely sure of the question. Who is us, the leaders or the parents? I took my best guess.

The OP asked us if the CC had the right to do it. The only responsible answer is an unqualified yes. The Chartered Organization, through its chain of command from IH to COR to CC, does have that right. I wouldn't want to get a scout leader into hot water by giving him false information, and having him act on it. That is not helpful. If the COR or CC had posted on this forum asking our opinions on what he should do, I may have given them a slightly different answer. My stance, as always, is that the Chartered Organization owns the unit. Yes, that is the turf I protect.

That would be like Macy's sending Christmas shoppers to Gimbel's. What kind of crazy person would do that?

Absolutely, I would. Other units have the right to recruit from our unit, but we are under no obligation to provide them with the funds, equipment, volunteers, or access to meeting space to do it in. They're on their own. I don't think this runs counter to scouting ideals.

If by saying us, you are talking about individual scouts visiting other troops on their own (not as a Webelos den), then I don't see any problem. If you are thinking of using the funds, equipment, and volunteers of your Chartered Organization to recruit for some other CO's unit, then I would say that such an action would be highly unethical.

Yes. As a cub master, you volunteered to support the scouting program of the Chartered Organization. It is not unreasonable for your CO to expect you to promote both of their registered units. You should agree to speak up for the troop. I am not saying that you should lie to the scouts or their parents. Be truthful. Tell them that it is their choice, but leave no doubt in anyone's mind that you volunteer for and support the CO's units.

I understand why you identify the moderators in the title line. Why do you have titles for junior members, members, and senior members? Does it have any meaning?

Oh. I have never participated on any other forum, so I had no idea how they work. I'm really not into internet stuff. I still don't understand how to use most of the features of this site. As for nicknames, I have never understood why anyone would accept an uncomplimentary nickname.

One can only wonder why the other forums gave you uncomplementary nicknames.

Sarcasm? Why would anybody think that someone calling our male scouters "he-men" might be sarcasm?

That's the problem. When a CO is uninvolved, it creates a power vacuum, and people start politicking and jockeying for position. That's not good.

Why is it their business? Why is it their place? Well, that would all depend on their registered positions, wouldn't it? My simple answer is that the Chartered Organization gets to choose the unit leadership. Whether they be young or old, experienced or inexperienced, energetic or laid-back, parent or non-parent, male or female, the CO gets to choose. The authority to make decisions for the unit is based on a scouter's registered position, not on any of these other personal traits.

Yes, that is exactly the sort of pushback I was talking about. Good example.

Yes they do. My CO applies the same policy about physical contact to both coaches and scouters, but we get a lot more pushback from the scouters than we do from the coaches. I don't think we would catch as much flack from coaches and parents if we were to ask them to stop flipping the young athletes at awards ceremonies. They would be far more compliant, and they would give many fewer complaints. I think the public might be less suspicious of scouters if they were seen to be more agreeable to accepting the restrictions placed on them by their CO's.

It's true. I have a very high opinion of my scouts. I stand convicted.

I don't know why. The boys and girls seem to be able to follow the rules during school hours and other after-school activities. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly lose their self-control at scouting activities. I have my own objections to the inclusion of girls in scouting, but they have nothing to do with potential for rule violations.

No blocking technique is necessary. Every new student/scout goes through an orientation process which includes a video presentation from the bishop. Everyone knows the rules.

If I'm in a scout unit, I'll do what the CO wants.

I grew up in an extended family with 4 generations living under the same roof. It wasn't quite like The Waltons, though. We had much better insulation (soundproofing) in the walls. Good night, John-boy! I always considered the extended family living arrangement to be very traditional, perhaps even quaint. I never thought of it as a modern lifestyle.

I am not at all uncomfortable with hugging a teenage scout. I don't do it because it is against the rules.

Not just the girls. My nephew was raised in France, and he was taught to do that traditional French kissy- kissy thing.