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David CO

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  1. David CO

    A Scouters Motto

    Realistically, we can't have that sort of relationship with the boys anymore. The YP rules prohibit it.
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    How do camps accommodate girl troops?

    This doesn't appear to be true at schools that continue to use group showers rather than individual stalls. Boys don't seem to mind the group showers so long as everyone else is using them. I agree that scout camps will all be switching to individual stalls. It isn't necessary, but it is the way things are going.
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    How do camps accommodate girl troops?

    Boys often have the same concerns as you about the possibility of appearing a bit creepy. When given a choice between individual shower stalls and group showers, many boys will choose to wait for the individual showers, even if they are not embarrassed to use the group showers. They are concerned that other people might see it as suspicious or creepy that they choose to use the group showers.
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    Eagle Scout Ross Perot has passed away

    Yes, and it still makes a Giant Sucking Sound.
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    Man Bites Dog... Den leader sues Cub Scouts

    This happens all the time. In most cases, it is the insurance company who is actually doing the suing. The insurance company files the suit on behalf of the customer, in the customer's name, in an attempt to recoup some of the money they paid out for hospital bills. The customer is often required, under the terms of the policy, to cooperate with the insurance company's suit. If the customer refuses to cooperate with the suit, the customer could be liable to repay the insurance company. Some insurance companies are becoming very aggressive in their attempts to recover their losses. We had one insurance company go after our church after an elderly parishioner slipped on some ice in the parking lot. The pastor was somewhat saddened and dismayed that a long-time parishioner would sue the church, until someone explained to him that it is actually the insurance company that is doing the suing. The insurance company lost the suit. The irony in that case was in the judge's ruling that the church wasn't responsible because snow and ice are "an act of God". One might suppose that His church would be responsible for "an act of God".
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    Guidance on Discipline

    At my school, it would be illegal to bring them all to the table. There are laws and regulations which govern disciplinary procedures at a school. I am not saying that scout unit should be required to follow all the complex procedures of a school disciplinary hearing, but I do think a certain amount of privacy should be expected. I am not surprised that the parent did not show up to this meeting. It was too public. In the OP, the parent was very willing to engage in a conversation with the scoutmaster, even to the point of volunteering information about the family doing home drug testing on the son. I doubt that the parent would have done so at an open meeting that might more resemble a public pillory than an honest and caring conversation amongst friends.
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    Guidance on Discipline

    I am surprised that no one is stating the obvious. The scout should have been searched. It would seem strange to me if people were to feel that the unit leaders didn't have enough cause to conduct a search (back when the incidents were first reported), but that they do have enough to go ahead and suspend the boy.
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    A Strategy for Handling Bedwetting

    This is not the only embarrassing nocturnal event that can occur at overnight scouting activities. I am sometimes surprised at how well (and maturely) many of our boys deal with these events.
  9. David CO

    A Strategy for Handling Bedwetting

    My nephew had this problem, but he chose to not try to keep it a secret. He didn't like the idea of making up stories and explanations. It is sometimes easier for a boy to just deal with the truth than to try to keep it a secret.
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    Guidance on Discipline

    I think the OP may have given us one possible reason for unit leaders' response (or lack of response) to the situation. I think we all agree that a scout should be judged on his own conduct. His parents' popularity should have nothing to do with it.
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    Guidance on Discipline

    Sure. The 24/7 thing applies for some things, but not for others. Exactly where it applies is a source of constant disagreement between scouters both on this forum and in the real world. As a practical matter, most unit leaders don't want to take on the roles of police/lawyers/courts. We don't want our committee meetings to turn into a courtroom drama. We leave that sort of thing to the professionals. I would not penalize the family for volunteering information about the drug testing. While it is not a privileged conversation, penalizing the family would discourage others from engaging in open and frank conversations in the future.
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    Guidance on Discipline

    Because the scout is accused of possessing and using marijuana on the Chartered Organization's property, I think it is absolutely necessary to inform the COR (even if this means that the investigation and decision making process might be taken out of the hands of the unit leadership).
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    Guidance on Discipline

    It sounds like you are an ASM, and you disagree with how the SM is dealing with these situations. You may be right, but I would still suggest that you let the SM take the lead in making disciplinary decisions.
  14. There is a news article online today that says an 16 year old boy who has been accused of sexually assaulting a girl in New Jersey was shown leniency by the judge because he is from a good family, has good grades, and is an eagle scout.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    I can think of a more accurate description, but I can't say it on this forum.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    I don't see the point in rescinding a rank. It won't keep the media from pointing out that the offender was a former eagle scout.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    I've been thinking about that. I really hope that these friends weren't other boy scouts.
  18. David CO

    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    That makes sense. Only the most egregious cases get sent to adult court. Those offenders are more likely to be repeat offenders regardless of which court hears the cases.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    That makes sense. A tax accountant should know better. Tax accountants have specific training in this area. Does a tax accountant have any sort of special training in the area of sexuality? I don't think so. So I would hold an accountant to the same standard in regard to sex offenses.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    Interesting that you should ask that. This exact scenario is discussed in the sex education unit of my Health class. We teach our students that an intoxicated person cannot consent to sex. Having sex at a party with an intoxicated person is rape. Sadly, this is not a rare or unusual occurrence at a teenage drinking party. It happens all the time. I don't think the boy in this case had any misunderstanding about what he was doing. In his emails to his friends, bragging about his crime, he described his sexual encounter as a rape. He knew what he was doing, and he knew that it was a crime.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    I wouldn't go that far.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    I have never seen any appreciable difference in good/bad behavior between the Boy Scouts and the rest of the students in my classes. The Boy Scouts behave about the same as everyone else. Some are good and some are bad. One of the worst behaved students in my Health class this year happened to be an eagle scout, OA member, and senior patrol leader. His bad behavior at school doesn't seem to be taken into consideration by his scout unit when evaluating his scouting spirit. I think the reason this story is receiving so much attention is not because the boy is an eagle scout, but because the judge used his status as an eagle scout as a justification for giving him more lenient treatment. This is wrong. An eagle badge should not be used as a "get out of jail free" card.
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    Eagle Scout Shown Leniency

    I am not opposed to having a juvenile justice system that can consider the age and maturity of the offender. I am opposed to a justice system that imposes harsher penalties on poor and disadvantaged kids.
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    When and how to ask a CM to step down

    The CC will eventually need to discuss the dismissal of a volunteer with the COR, since the CC needs the signature of the COR when it comes time to replace the volunteer. The COR is almost certain to ask what happened with the old scout leader, particularly if that scout leader had been in the position for a while. It would make more sense for them to have this discussion sooner rather than later.
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    Who carries a firearm on Scout Outings???

    Oh, Please! Don't you guys ever get tired of sucking up to your bosses.
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