David CO

Talk about blaming the victim.

It doesn't sound disingenuous at all. It is no more difficult to plan a camping trip to a privately owned facility than it is to attend a BSA scheduled event. We do it all the time.

I don't blame you. This is no way to approach a prospective SM.

Sorry. I guess I misunderstood your previous post. When you said that the pack was the "host" of the school night, I assumed that the pack had organized and paid for the event.

A DE cannot invite another unit to your event. I can't imagine myself going to all the time, effort, and expense of putting on a nice event at the school only to have the DE invite another unit in to freeload off of all my hard work. No way. If a DE wants to organize a second scout night at the school for the co-ed unit, he is free to do so, but he is not going to do it on my time and my dime.

Nope. We don't register parent volunteers. We would like to keep our registration fees to a minimum. No reason to give BSA any more $ than we need to.

I think we all know the answer to that one. BSA is insisting that every volunteer be registered. Since we don't have a registered position for a parent driver, they get registered as either a committee member or ASM. I don't blame the volunteers for not stepping up to do the job they got registered as, instead of the job they actually volunteered for.

Told by who? It has always been the case that the school can invite or not invite any unit(s) they choose.

It really doesn't matter how many intermediary steps BSA takes to get to a co-ed program. They will eventually have their co-ed program. The liberal social engineers who guide their actions will accept nothing less.

Who are you talking about?

I am amused that you consider Kim Possible to be an "old" Disney show.

You sure know how to sell the scouting program, you smooth talker. Do you include this in your recruiting speech? Sorry to hear about Mrs. Schiff. I hope she is feeling better.

Which is the tick drag, the white flag or the dog?

The map says that all of the other states and territories are under 10,000 cases, but Puerto Rico is over 80,000. That is a disturbing statistic. 8x the rest of the country. I asked the question because I have a friend in Puerto Rico (yes, I do have friends), and I have been following the hurricane recovery stories. Are there any Puerto Rican scouts out there on scouter.com who could tell us a little more about how this is effecting the scouting programs?

Statistics are a tricky thing. It might appear that the incidence of insect borne disease is increasing, but it may simply be that more people are seeking medical help. There are many possible explanations for the changing numbers. It could be that more people have insurance. It could also be that fewer people know how to self-treat minor medical problems, and consequently see the doctors more often. I understand why Puerto Rico has been seeing an upswing (hurricane), but I'm not quite sure why my home state of Illinois is in the top 20%.

Does this include Puerto Rico?

Not to mention the expected increase in cooties.

He assaulted a 12 year old girl? I have a better idea. Tell him he needs overnight camping training. Then send him with the scout fathers on a remote camping trip in a totally deserted wilderness area. Problem solved.

That's a valid point. Scouting was organized (in the USA) with this system of Chartered Organization ownership long before YPT came into existence. I'm sure there are many who feel that the two are incompatible. It wouldn't be the first (or only) time that BSA has instituted contradictory and/or incompatible policies.

Neither do I. If it wasn't for the badges on the uniforms, a casual observer of my unit might have had a difficult time picking out the leaders. Leadership in most tasks was based more on skill level than unit rank. But if there was a serious problem or disagreement, we would immediately revert back to our formal rank structure.

Exactly. That is a very good way to summarize the question at the heart of this thread.

...because the parish/school policy says so. This whole part of the conversation started because I commented that my school gives broad authority to its teachers (and certain other staff) to supervise and direct students and volunteers. The teachers did not usurp this authority. It was given to them. There has been a lot of splitting-off in this conversation. It started out with a question of whether or not a cub master can be given authority over the boy scouts in a unit with the same CO.

It is up to the pastor, principal, and Director of Religious Education to determine who has authority over the CCD program and its participants. It is not up to a school teacher, volunteer CCD teacher, parent, or student to decide such things on their own.

It is up to the CO, not the volunteer scout leader, to decide who has a say in what happens at scout meetings. The CO owns the unit.

That is true. There aren't nearly as many Catholic schools as there are public schools. But then again, it would be extremely unusual for a public high school to charter a scout unit. It almost never happens. I think the analogy works better for a private school, since they are far more likely (than public schools) to have volunteer coaches and/or volunteer scout leaders.