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Bob here is that site again www.cedu.niu.edu/scied/db_crew/Dan_Beard_Rover_Crew html

Bob What more can I say? Have you read anything concerning Rover Scouts, there are some right here in the USA, They are not just UK they are worldwide. Some are in BSA and some are in independent forms of scouting. What A Venturing crew can do with Rovering is get the nuts and bolts BP style of scouting within the crew program.Bob look into Rovering check out WWW.cedu.niu./scied/ db_crew/Dan_Beard_Rover_Crew html read into it for your self this is an active Venturing Crew .

Trail Pounder I guess it's up the Sea Scout and what they want to accomplish and how serious they are about this. Also some ships are not traditional and do not use the advancement program. I would think that a well motivated Sea Scout could advance in 3 years by the time he or she is 17 they could have the Quartermaster. The hurdles are commitment on their part, school, sports, band, hobbies, social life many many. Youth in this age group seem to have Cars and Girls or Cars and Boys on their minds and also if the program is fun and exciting.

Bob Specifically Rovering as a specialty can work within the Venturing crew structure to deliver an outdoor and service program, I guess the same way that Venturing without Rovering could do. However deep in Rovering is the Basics that scouting was founded on just it is geared to appeal to older youth and young adults. The nuts and Bolts of scouting are there. A more BP style program and this would be beneficial to Venturers who do not have previous scouting experience and would be a renewal for those Venturers who are previous or who are currently in Venturing. It is international in sco

Bob Isn't Rovering a more basic form of the same thing that we have in Venturing? In one of the posts mentioned here today we see that we had a Rovering Scout leader say that they used the Venturing structure to deliver the Rovering program as a specialty for that Venturing Crew, What I am referring here to is the Rovering specialty in as a specialty to Outdoor Crews in Venturing. However the problems are basic, Yes I agree teach and work with youth where they are at and maybe doing another specialty is not the answer for a particular crew. In some crews the problems are that the youth

Calling all Venturers in Arts and Hobbies, Religious Life and Sea Scouts and Sports how is the Venturing Program administered in your particular crews and specialties and clusters?

Bob: Doesn't leadership in any group have to be inspired? doesn't it have to have goals something to base itself on These crews have elections for new leaders every year and yes there is a plethora of information and training manuals produced by BSA. The problem is boredom. buisness meetings on business meetings Venturing is supposed to have some action in it am I right. Youth have to be Inspired. Also in co-ed crews boys have to accept the fact that girls have the right to be there too, according to Venturing literature, right. Rovering does exist worldwide even

Bob I am not trying to re-invent anything. There are many crews that have a problem with keeping youth in them. Also in Venturing there seems to be a loss of scouting. They are as you might say quite lax. Many of them do not seem to have a knowledge of the roots of scouting. Even some Boy Scouts that are Venturers seem to be bored with the whole thing. Now some of this is them being just teenagers. But some of this is a lack of excitement. But I believe this is always been a problem in scouting particularly with teenage boys. That might be a reason why Venturing is co-ed in some crews. The cre

Bob I believe that a Venturing Crew could do everything a Rovering Crew could do. The Rovering Scout program as a specialty could enhance Venturing's focus in scouting. Give roots to it's wings so to say. It could enhance Venturing's outreach to service clubs and High Adventure clubs. Venturers that are Rovers would be an outreach to both youth like other scouting youth. and to adults maybe other scouters. especially Boy Scouts or Varsity Scouts in that 18-21 year old range. Also they could still remain registered as Rovers even after they completed their Venturing program on their 21st birthd

Rover Scout: how does your crew then balance the rovering and the venturing aspects of your program? Are the 2 other crews you mentioned also doing venturing with the rovering program? Thank you for the information.

Bob I will endeavor at this time to end this confusion you have with my observations and remarks. You are right about the position that for years the BSA did not practice equality, it now seems to do so some granted I will give you that. And for years Exploring did not practice it either until the early 1970's. You however are wrong about a few things I first of all am not in the OA although I would like to be I am not in favor of the OA changing the rules just for me. In the council that I am in there are some Venturing crew advisors that are also scoutmasters that are in the Order of the Arr

what I am suggesting is something that is similar to the old Exploring Service Team concept and where there are enough crews and ships in the council or district to substantiate this kind of an organization. I've noticed in past programs there were district exploring commissioners, why can't there be district venturing commissioners working with Venturing units but under the DC maybe someone could be A DVC with the ADC training and supplement it going through the Venturing adult leader training. going through the same training as any other commissioner would. Specializing more in Sea Scouts an

My involvment with Venturing comes as such I currently am a Unit Commissioner with a Venturing Crew, I was a Venturing Advisor and Civil Air Patrol project officer for a Crew that was in CAP squadron and I was a previous Assistant Scoutmaster in a troop ASM-Venture not a crew but with a patrol in a Troop. I have went through the training and went through the University of Scouting and Venturing and Exploring and Sea Scouts are my primary interest. I am very concerned with Venturers going into OA because I believe that BSA is a basically based on equality and I feel that Venturers no matter of

My involvment with Venturing comes as such I currently am a Unit Commissioner with a Venturing Crew, I was a Venturing Advisor and Civil Air Patrol project officer for a Crew that was in CAP squadron and I was a previous Assistant Scoutmaster in a troop ASM-Venture not a crew but with a patrol in a Troop. I have went through the training and went through the University of Scouting and Venturing and Exploring and Sea Scouts are my primary interest. I am very concerned with Venturers going into OA because I believe that BSA is a basically based on equality and I feel that Venturers no matter of

First of all I am not in the OA, and my knowledge of it is limited But what I do know. Is according to history that at one time Explorers were nominated into OA, I do not know if they were all the Outdoor/ High Adventure type and even after females were allowed in Exploring. They were only the Male Explorers with the right amount of Camping time and that was even after their advancement program was taken away. (This according to BSA History) were still nominated and elected to OA. There were post elections , however in the early 1990's this was done away with and Exploring was no longer allo

Let's create a seperate Venturing Commissioner Program, and let this commissioner program deal only with ships and crews, reason for this is the Venturing program because of it's co-educational nature encounters problems that other parts of scouting may not encounter. Also because of it's own diversity of programs and the uniqueness of Venturing in the 5 clusters and many specialties the commissioners could diversify their outreach. Now crews and ships would still retain their own programmming and youth leadership. The commissioners could work in areas special to Venturing and still be able to

Mantuawarrior, Thank you for your encouragement #1 I was a cadet in the Civil Air Patrol in the late 1960's also a Senior Member in the CAP in the late 90's, #2 I do have an old Air Explorer Manual from the 1950's.In that manual there is a very good picture of what Air Exploring was. I am a Unit Commissioner for an Outdoor Venturing Crew and I used a part of that manual for a Silver Banquet for the crew. The youth used a part of it. The crew associate advisor borrowed the manual for a while and liked it. I believe youth would like to do that program. It is right up their alley, especially i

WhatI am basically referring to is a continuation of the 1950's Air Scout or Air Exploring program just in a 21st century format the youth leadership would be elected, in Civil Air Patrol the Crew has to operate within the CAP squadron schedule, and it does not get top bill, I would like to seperate it from that. Also since CAP is a USAF auxiliary it has a military leadership. In military leadership democratic process is not very much at the top of their priorities. . I would like to take the old program and bring it up to speed within today's Venturing Program. Still to retain the tradit

Dale Thanks for the Information

How could a Venturing Outdoor Seminar be presented? Could it be competitive or educational, or be demonstrations by crews? Also is there any crews or ships up for Venturing Leadership Conferences, and has anyone heard if National is going to return to that kind of Activity? Please give me your input on these subjects.

Since BSA has increased its Emergency Preparedness awareness and since in the Venturing Program that the requirements for Ranger Award have Emergency Preparedness wouldn't it be a good time to restart the Ready Crew Program formerly known as an Explorer Ready Post Program. To raise crews and ships that could respond to emergencies and give them that "DO A GOOD TURN DAILY" spirit again.

Could a Venturing camp be set up similar to a Boy Scout Summer Camp, with the exception it is Venturing and all the various specialties could do displays, and there could be an Outdoor Seminar about mid-week, and Scouts that are in Venture Patrols in troops could be invited for a day of the camp to see if they like Venturing.This camp would have it's own Camp Service Crew and the activities would be different.

Has anyone heard of the National Outdoor Venturing Committee? If so, can anyone give me further information about it ?

has anyone seen venturers in uniform, wearing any kind of neckerchef? Is it allowed?

I was wondering where the VENTURING BSA patch go on the uniform ? Is it on the right sleeve under the flag? Or is it on the left pocket? And where would it go on the Red Jac Shirt?