dan

Truly sad news. My prayers go out to his family and friends.

He will be missed by many.

I thought that Double H ranch had stopped doing BSA treks.

I was reading on the RMEF website that they are still doing it through Philmont.

http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/TWC/Trek.htm

When I joined the Lutheran Church, I read that no flags where allowed in the Sanctuary, note it did not say Church. There is one in the sanctuary at the church, I asked the pastor about it, he just smiled.

Kudu

I also was talking about explaining it to adults not for recruiting.

Are you saying your version of scouting does not teach youth to be leaders or to make ethical decisions?

No, I did not go to your link. Better things to do.

"I think there was a point in time where the majority of the people didn't need to what scouting was about, they just knew it was a good thing. But, we are now in the "Google Age", where information about anything you can imagine is available at your fingertips. It's getting very hard to hide behind your ignorance."

Would we be trying to reach the people that are trying to find out about scouting or the ones that have no reason to google it?

I think we would be trying to get more people to google scouting.

But than again I would take most stuff I google with a BIG grain of salt.

Even going to the national web site would most people who has never been in scouts really understand it?

This maybe just me and my communication style but I cannot seem to explain to people who know nothing about scouting what it is about and why I do it.

I have tried

Scouting teaches these boys on how to be leaders...

Scouting teaches these boys to make ethical decisions...

camping and hiking is just the tool we use to teach with...

Scouting creates men from boys.

Has anyone found a good way to explain what scouting is, in a short time frame?

Could this be part of the issue, it is to hard to explain what scouting is and is not so that it is understood?

I guess I have a different take on what I have read here than others posters do. It sounds like this scout pushed the SM and ASM buttons and they never got over it. I have had so many scouts push my buttons over the years. Before I understood the dynamics of scouting I thought many of these scouts would and should not become Eagles. After a few years in scouting I expect them to push my buttons. As the scouts get older I am amazed how much the scouts have grown and what fine young men they have become. This has given many stories to tell at Eagle COHs.

It sounds to me that the SM is still upset over something that happened what over a year ago? There are very few perfect scouts, only really good kids and young men.

Please keep us informed on what happens.

Any father that talks about other troops "issues" during his sons Eagle Court of Honor, does not have a clue, so ignore him.

What the heck is spray fake dog poop?

Did it hurt the tent? stain it? destroy the waterproofing?

With the info I have to go on, have him clean the tent.

I am sorry to hear that but not surprised. I really enjoyed my hike there.

The ranch is owned by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.

I know that when the ranch was willed to RMEF that there was a clause that it must be used in some way for youth. I got the felling when I was there that most of the ranch hands did not think it was a good idea to have all of the scouts hiking there.

It is a working ranch, but it is also a place to hunt, If memory serves me correctly 20,000 dollars will get you a week of hunting Elk.

Many troops around here save the grommets and they are given to someone they feel are special. Most people believe getting these grommets from a scout of fellow scouter is something very special.

jblake47

I think you may be reading the rules incorrectly.

As of 9 years ago, paddle boats where allowed in the BWCA. They are no longer allowed because of the grease on the paddle wheels and bearings. When they talk about mechanical it means anything that has grease and such. I would bet my paddle that if an ranger saw canoes with a dining fly as a sail they would not say anything unless they where interfering with others canoeist.

Here is the agenda for the troops OktoberFest in 2 weeks. With some details removed such as names and places.

So yes other troops do this. This troop has been doing this October COH campout for as long as I can remember.

WHO: All Troop scouts and their families

Any interested Webelos and their families

Alumni from Troop

Camp with us for the weekend or just join us for Saturdays festivities.

DETAILS:

For camping meet at Church at 6:30pm for usual departure at 7pm. Families can join us for camping the whole weekend. You may use your own family tent or use a troop tent. Scouts will camp as patrols as they usually do on weekend campouts.

BBQ and potluck dinner will be Saturday at 3pm. BBQ chicken will be provided for all. Scouts will prepare dutch oven dishes to accompany dinner. Families and guests are asked to bring a generous side dish or dessert to pass.

Court of Honor Ceremony will begin at 5:00pm Saturday in the firebowl. This will feature skits, highlights from the summer activities, rank advancements and merit badges earned, a WoodBadge beading ceremony, and much more.

Make sure to put the bag in a watertight container. Even a heavy garbarge bag will work.

I was at Mount Rushmore 3 weeks ago. I was there in 1992. What a difference! The parking garages where not there in 92! We walked down to the artist studio on the way back up, I found the old part of the observation deck, and thought this is what I remember. We got there early in the morning we left by noon and the place was packed. My wife got the parking ticket on line of 6 dollars, It is 10 dollars if you get the ticket there. Still a lot to see for 10 bucks!

I really enjoyed talking to the Lakota Park Rangers as they gave a demonstration on cleaning a bison hide and how they used many of the parts from the bison.

Now Crazy Horse that is a tourist trap! But I did enjoy the Native American museum.

Bob White

Why can you not see that you are so wrong on this one?

I cannot believe the BSA is going to tell a scout that he cannot tell anyone he is a scout and is working on his Eagle.

If the BSA does not want there name used with an Eagle Project they need to remove it as part as the Eagle requirement. The fundraising can be part of the Eagle Project.

Now

For the next one.

True of false...A unit may set an attendance or participation measurement to determine if a scout is "active" in the unit?

Yes they may, many units do and the BSA does not tell them to stop it, do they?

A CO can say if you do not attend at least 75 percent of the actives you will be removed from the unit.

And they are not breaking you perceived rules.

Why can you not see these rules are not black and white, something I wish they where.

BUT

Eagle Project is not a trade marked name by the BSA! Is it?

You are reading to much into the rules.

So YES he can.

Bob(Spock)White

First one you interpreted incorrectly

Can a youth identify himself as a Boy Scout when seeking donations for an Eagle Project?

He could say I am looking for donations for my Eagle Project. Which identified him as an BSA member and did not use a trade marked BSA term.

Bob White

I disagree with these statements.

"but understand they are not my answers"

"they are the BSA program as found in the official resources of the BSA"

What you posted is your interpretation of the official resources, they are your answers, not the BSAs.

I know you think you are correct in your interpretation and I think I am correct in mine.

I will try a couple

True of false...A unit may set an attendance or participation measurement to determine if a scout is "active" in the unit?

True, maybe not correct, but a unit can, and no one will say anything about it.

True or false...A unit can set an attendance or participation measurement to determine Scout Spirit?

True

Except for merit badges who can sign a scout's advancement requirements?

Whoever the SM says can. I am assuming you are talking about the handbook?

Can a scout sign his own handbook?

Yes, if the SM says he may.

Can a youth identify himself as a Boy Scout when seeking donations for an Eagle Project?

Yes

How many references must the scout obtain for the Eagle board of review?

Depends on the unit, according to the BSA the answer is zero. All units around this area make the scout obtain them and when you are that close to Eagle why would one rock the boat?

I have no issues with the moderators on here, I think they do a great job. Let me be a moderator and watch the posts disappear before you very eyes!

The moderators on here put up with a lot more than I would.

I do not read the post with all of the bickering in them. Unless I need a laugh. And want to see how other units must be run.

Attended another Eagle Court of Honor today. This Court Of Honor was the last scout from the den where I was the den leader.

The six that came over from the den, three of them now are Eagle Scouts. Two quit scouts, One of them moved away, I wondering if he made Eagle? I know he was staying in scouts.

The Court of Honor was once again very nice. His Grandmother thanked me after the cermony, I said it was my pleasure and it was. The Scout today lost his dad when he was a Wolf Cub.

He still is feeling the loss. His mother called me this evening and thanked me and said I was one of the few that could get that sly little smile out of him. Which I was able to do at the Court of Honor today.

What a ride so far!

A few years back right after Gaylans got bought out by Dicks. An Eagle Scout from the troop was working there; his brother was working at Gander Mountain. The CEO from Dicks was visiting the store, he was meeting with the employees and he asked them what would make the store better. The Eagle Scout says bring back the scout discount, my brother works at Gander and I can not even recommend that the scouts come here for their gear, since they can get it cheaper at Gander with the discount. We got the t 10% discount back! I was impressed with the scout that he would say that to a CEO. The Dicks store here still gives the 10 percent discount. The other one 30 mile away does not.

I miss Galyans!

I have a Studebaker story also!

The year was 1974 the Ford dealer has a Studebaker golden hawk for sale. I really wanted that car, put I bought a 1962 Chevy II instead.

Of all of the cars I have owned the only one I wish I had keep was the 1965 Olds 442. And I wished I would have bought that Hawk and held onto it and sold it last year, when the prices where so high for collectors cars.

The only reason I ask about the car is that I am kind of a car nut.

And I was just picturing you driving with the top down in your scout uniform and the red beret plastered on your head.

Thank you for the story about your time as a scout, I enjoyed it.