cubbobwhite

The Spirit of the Eagle is the award for Scouts who are taken from us before they have a chance to earn Eagle. My nephew, who is forever 12, and was killed in an auto accident, was awarded this.

From the Scalise v. BSA appellate court ruling:

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Boy Scouts provided informational literature and recruitment flyers for distribution through this system in Mt. Pleasant classrooms. In November 1997, Ben Scalise was a third-grader at Mt. Pleasant's Fancher Elementary. After bringing home a Boy Scout flyer distributed at Fancher, he and his father attended a Cub Scout gathering. At the meeting, Mr. Scalise volunteered to become a den leader. Later, having reviewed Boy Scouts bylaws and mission statement, Mr. Scalise learned that Boy Scout leaders were required to endorse the Boy Scouts'declaration of religious principle, and youth members, depending on their status as Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, were required to recite either the Boy Scout Oath or the Cub Scout Promise and to abide by either the Scout Law8 or the Law of the Pack.

In January 1998, Mr. Scalise sent Boy Scouts a letter explaining the declaration of religious principle to be repugnant to his humanist beliefs and requested an exemption from the requirement. Boy Scouts refused and revoked Mr. Scalise's membership. Subsequently, Mr.Scalise removed Ben from Boy Scouts.

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My own comment - it is Mt Pleasant, not Mount.

I used to be a BOBWHITE, a good old BOBWHITE, too.

But now I'm finished BOBWHITEing I don't know what to do.

I'm growing old and feable, and I can BOBWHITE no more.

So, I'm going to work my ticket if I can

Back to Gilwell, happy land, I'm going to work my ticket if I can.

CubBobwhite - EC-CS-19

ScoutBuffalo - C-33-98

Scribe - C-8-6

There is nothing written that says that all requirements for an Academic or Sports beltloop or a pin must be completed within the timespan of one rank.

"Not at all. I am disappointed that a Training chairman would misrepresent the contents of the training the way you did"

I just believe there is a difference between mentioning something and teaching it.

CBW

You asked my opinion and I gave it.

Yes, those subjects are mentioned in those places.

Bob - are you just mad at me because I am using an id similar to yours?

I'm going to out-out-town for the next couple of days. My #1 son is deploying to Iraq.

I'll tell you what. You start telling me how you feel about it and let me respond. I've already answered you.

"That someONE would be the Pack Trainer, formerly known as "Den Leader Coach"...this is a resource that many Districts and Council Training Committees are ignoring, and a lot of Packs still don't recognize."

How many packs have a Pack Trainer? There are not many in my council. Just like there weren't many Den Leader Coaches.

CBW

Subjects not covered by more than a sentence include -

*Outdoor Program

*CS Sports and Academics

*Boy Behavior

*What is Cub Scouting?

*Purposes of Cub Scouting

*Methods of Cub Scouting

*The roles of the other leaders in the pack

Do I see any differences between the five sessions? Not enough to convince leaders that they need to return for the update.

CBW

Great stuff! Keep them ideas coming!

*The five Cub Leader Specific training sessions are almost identical. They use the same videos. They even have the same gathering time activity.

*They require five trainers and five TV/VCRs to be done according to the book. Also five rooms. I can no longer hop in the car, drive to a Cubmaster's home and conduct a basic training for his pack leadership in his living room because they will need too many different positions trained.

*Because they are glossed over in NLE, the methods and purposes of CS are not emphasized.

*Pack leaders are not returning for the next position specific session, despite moving up from TL to DL to WL.

I really could go on and on. I have never felt so much like a failure as a trainer than I do after using this syllabus. I've discussed this at length with other trainers in other councils and they don't like this new training continuum either.

CBW

In my case, I am the training chairman in my council.

I have seen the training syllabus pared down over the past several years to the point where there really is no really "training" happening when it comes to learning specifically about what is expected of leaders as they do their job in Scouting, and how they work with the boys. All of those subjects are now considered supplemental. Yet those leaders are able to wear a trained patch.

And pity on the pack whose new leaders include the cubmaster.

"In any case, the new leader's essential training would not cover how to run a den meeting -- it is designed for new leaders to Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting, or Venturing -- and not for crafts."

I don't think you guys really read my post. What I statedis thatthe expectations of most Den Leaders is that they are going to get the help that they want and need at Basic Training.

"Crafts are covered at the monthly Roundtable trainings"

Roundtable is a great resource. But many times it does not meet until after the Den Leader has had a meeting or two.

"We are not training people to run a den meeting, we are training people to believe in, and deliver, the values of scouting. That requires an understanding of how we do, what we do, and why we do it. That's what New Leader Essentials is all about"

I've been involved with training within my council for a long time. My favorite Cubsyllabus was the one back in the early 90's. We were able to do all of the above AND help the new leaders to feel confident.

And what's with all the wisecracks about crafts. I never mentioned crafts in my post and there is allot more to Cubbing than crafts.

CBW (whose name is not Carol)(This message has been edited by cubbobwhite)

I know that most new DLs hope and expect to walk away from Basic training prepared to run their den meetings and they don't get trained in doing that at Cub Leader Basic. They want immediate help to do their first meetings, they don't care about the inner workings of the BSA.

I'm not one that usually suggests the someone run to the DE (District Executive) to handle a unit problem, but this is one time I will.

Since this has been going on this long, obviously no one, the Chartered Organization, the CO Representative, nor the Unit Commissioner, has been paying much attention. What is happening here is not Cub Scouting. The DE should know who to contact to get this situation straightened out.

This is not an issue of someone who was trained a long time ago - this CM is not even following the training he received way back 15 years ago.

And it just might be time to start a new pack. You have the leaders and the Cubs.

CBW

I like your ideas Kenk! Thanks.

CBW

I don't have the answers to your questions.

I am in a one district council. We have 42 packs and 38 troops. The last I remember we had about 1000 volunteers. I don't know what our youth numbers are.

We have two DEs and an SE.

CBW

I agree with all of the above. And later, when I have time to think about it, I will probably have more to add.

I have recently become a "stay at home wife" having just gone on disability due to MS.

Good suggestions. Thanks!

I'll be a bit nit-picky here, but since a TL is a Tiger Den Leader and there is no TA position, that tells me there is no Assistant Den Leader for the Tiger Cub Den.

I have the handouts from the last time I did this on my website http://www.cubbobwhite.net/tips/od.htm They need to be updated. The last time I presented this subject was probably 8 years ago.

CBW

I'm preparing a training session on the CS Outdoor Program. What are some of the things that some ofrather "opinionated" Scouters on this board (I said that lovingly ) would like to see the Cubs doing in their efforts to prepare themselves to become Boy Scouts (Purpose #10)?

I will be stressing the progressive program of Cub Scouting - what Tigers do in the outdoors should not be anything as strenuous as what the Webelos do - but I don't want to be suggesting mini Boy Scouts to the Webelos either.

And lastly - camping is only a part of the outdoor program, not the entire thing

CBW

I can't help you with this particular registration or check-in issue but I do want to add my $1 about another part of check-in.

At check-in the person in chargeneeds to be in uniform. About 10 years ago, a friend and I were asked by a couple of Wood Badge buddies to come down to their Pow Wow, They happened to be part of the committee and we ended up assisting with the check-in.

Because there was a Star Trek theme to the Pow Wow, everyone was in some sort of space costume, that is, everyone except Dave and me. We were in our field uniform. And here we sat, along with about 8 others, doing the check-in, for the over 800 participants arriving for this Pow Wow.

Guess who got asked any and all questions? Ah yes, the two of us in uniform. We figured it was because we looked like we were in charge. We quickly learned to scream "Mim!" That was the name of the person who was really in charge. She eventually just stayed right by us.

CBW