cjmiam

I think individual Scout accounts are much different than the troop's general operating account. It is much like a checking account just for Scouting stuff. I don't know the details, but my guess is that the troop already took a percentage or tax if you will or else they might conduct special troop fundraiser on the side. Many Scouts (at least in my troop) are motivated by the fact that they get back what they put into it. If they hit the neighborhood hard with popcorn they can make up to $200, others make about $10. Something just doesn't sit right when I hear that a Scout gets taken for

What about "throwing them in the most mosquito infested, slimy, latrine-connected swamp imaginable"? lol...

The kid earned it- the kid deserves to spend it in Scouting no matter what troop he decides to join. Im not for badmouthing people or causing undue shame to Scouting, but in some cases it isnt badmouthing- its called speaking the truth and it isnt undue shame, its deserved shame. This isnt about throwing a temper tantrum, this is about seeing justice done. Any Scouter or troop that keeps a Scouts money when they know that he is has earned it fairly and is continuing on in Scouting, should be thrown in the most mosquito infested, slimy, latrine-connected swamp imaginable and then sued.

Since these people have not produced a set of bylaws and you received no documentation stating such policies, my guess is that the rules have only been spoken. If that's the case, your situation should be addressed in part with past precedent. Further, I have a very difficult time believing that a number of responsible adults would not recognize your issues as legitimate. I agree with Bob, but will take it a step further. If you do not reach a resolution with the troop committee that is favorable to you, contact your attorney or else file a claim in small claims court. This is not a joke,

Well, then I'd tell the Scoutmaster that you want a check made payable to your local council to be used for summer camp and camping merchandise at the Scout Shop. Usually those are items that troops recognize as allowable purchases with fundraising money by Scouts. Whatever is leftover can remain in your new troop account at the office and credited to your son's new account. Don't give up $500 IS alot of money.

Well Im happy you all like my singing. I think I know about 100 or so camp songs by heart. Thats what 10 years on staff will do to ya (well, when we had extra time on our hands at least I always found it funny- Scouts would come to camp and at first most of the new to camp kids wouldnt sing. It was only after they realized that everyone else was singing that they too joined in. My Scouts sing only when I lead them. None of them break out in song if you will I think its too bad too. Some very memorable times are through song. Tips on getting kids to sing??? Yeah, learn some fun

I'd love to jump in a lake, but with my low body fat, I'd hit the hypothermia stage before my behind would smack the ice. Would an indoor pool be a comparable substitute? I don't want to change any requirements! How `bout instead we just sing? This is a repeat after me song. "The other day" repeat "I met a bear" repeat "Out in the woods" repeat "Oh way out there" repeat Animatedly, cjmiam

Exactly! And bump to that CubsRgr8. For all others, might I refer you to shoppingclubs.com. This is a place where you can find membership in a great deal of other organizations that dont care about morals, decency, and family values. As you can see, Scouting holds these values dear. We like what we believe and we stand firm in our commitment to upholding our right to believe in what we believe. Furthermore we wholeheartedly believe it is cool to teach children that having a mom and dad is the ideal way to go. So let us sing While the storm clouds gather far across the sea, Let u

The crossover rate is has always been extremely low. I think the national average is around 25% or so. I too haven't received any Scouts from our pack for 3 or 4 years. All of my new recruits come from Scouts asking friends at school. A lot of the x-Cub Scouts say they don't want to join the troop because Cub Scouts was boring. With leaders like the one you talk about, I can see why. I think Cub Scouts also burns the parents out. I believe that after six years (if they started as a Tiger) of running to meetings that they need a break. We are up to about 45 Scouts in our troop. M

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hmmmm... while things have quieted down, I think I'll sing. This is my favorite verse. Sing along with me now Our fathers' God, to thee, author of liberty, to thee we sing; long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light; protect us by thy might, great God, our King. Animatedly, cjmiam "Now go do the right thing" Dr. Laura

Tjhammer: You state, cjmiam, haven't we already covered this? You are essentially suggesting that the only real reason people join Scouting is because Scouting bans gays. That's silly. I believe we discussed it, but I dont think you understand. The BSA is not your local shopping club. The BSA is a values based program. The BSA has membership standards. The BSA is a private organization. The reason the BSA is successful is because it is the most complete character education program available in the world. People apply for membership in the BSA, because of everyth

Tjhammer: You stated, I disagree. I believe the only way the policy will change is if the 900,000 adult leaders and 3.2 million parents of the organization realize exactly what the policy is and that they have an opportunity to affect change if they so desire. We do know what the policy is and we like it that way. Thats why we support our program. Thats why we continue to enroll our kids in the program. Thats why our communities and other organizations overwhelmingly continue to support us. Dont you get it? We choose to stand by the BSA as it currently is. We dont want it chan

Mmmm, lets read that again. Whatever feeble attempt you tried to make for an argument has already been done before, so Im not even going to read that. Ill just refer you to all my other posts. Instead Im going to sing My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing; land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside let freedom ring. There, that should give you the motivation to go and start your own organization. Im sure youll have hundreds of parents and Scouts knocking on your door to join. Animatedly, c

Dittos DD! Tjhammer: You have finally acknowledged my question about starting your own organization. Good for you, but you really didnt answer the question. You claim that starting your own organization isnt a realistic option. Why isn't it a realistic option? I guess Ill have to answer the question for you. Because: 1. You know that if given a choice most kids will choose the BSA. 2. You know that if given a choice most parents will choose the BSA. 3. You know that if given a choice most communities and organizations will choose the BSA. 4. You know that you wont be a

I strongly agree that anyone deliberately ignoring a BSA policy is not an example of a good Scout or Scouter. What a great example they are teaching- we dont need to abide by the policy, because we dont agree with it and well sue them if they try to make us. Yep, thats what I want my Scouts to learn. If you dont agree with it- LEAVE! Dont however disgrace or degrade the organization that many Scouts and Scouters believe in. Many of you continue not getting it. This policy is not open for your interpretation. As if our courts, lawmakers and executive body could not have made

I'm just saying that I believe the blame lies on the parents. It isn't sctmom's responsibility to do something. I have no clue what their rules are or who signed the kid up for the program, but my guess is that there is an adult that should have been more responsible than the kid to make sure this didn't happen. I personally think it would hurt the kid more to take him out of this mostly for fun and skill development program. Instead, I would give his so-called parents a piece of my mind. This is almost as bad as the so-called fathers that build the pinewood derby cars for their kids! So

You insult me and my religion and you don't think I will be angry? I am more than willing to turn the other cheek. Would you like to hit me again? Notice I have not attacked you or your beliefs. Like I said- your true colors have shown through...

le Voyageur: your true colors now show through. you have attacked me, my religion, and my God. you have used words of hate and terror. you have accused my ancestors of inherent evil because of their religion. and you have the nerve to claim you are the victim. whatever hate dwells within your soul does not dwell in my brothers and sisters in Christ. yes, indeed your true colors now show through.

Welcome aboard YoungBlood! Looking forward to hearing more from you. Congratulations on your Eagle!

At this point I'd ask myself what good can be gained for that child. Even though his parents may have done it deliberately, you already did more than your part by e-mailing the appropriate people a while back. The season is coming to an end within a couple weeks if you are on the same schedule we are. I think the Monday after that last tournament I'd talk with someone, but not through e-mail. Sounds to me like his parents need a little lesson on fairness. I don't think it would be best for the boy to remove him at this stage in the game.

I see nothing wrong with those that disagree starting their own organization. Come on we live a capitalist society. We all know that competition is good- its makes us all better and work harder right? Therefore the Scouts would actually receive an even better program! Then, come joining night at the local school, there can be a table set up for straight Scouts and one for (did you come up with a name yet?). What more could we ask for? Im not trying to be rude, disrespectful or sarcastic. Im being logical, just as I have tried to be in my other posts. I have not argued morality or the m

Dedicated Dad: You are the greatest! I'd love to buy you lunch, but the travel expenses probably aren't in the budget. tjhammer: You stated, The trap you try to lay is a great case in point: youve provided no evidence that the 900,000 adult volunteers or 3.2 million boys and their parents have come together in common ground against homosexuality. The burden of proof isnt ours. You are the accuser. You are the one making the accusations that millions of respectable young men and their parents had no clue what kind of organization they were joining. You are the one making a ca

Do you mean to tell me that I've been wasting my time arguing with a guy that is stealing other peoples words? For crying out loud! It seems you were able to use quotes elsewhere in your posts. Give me a break. You guys still don't get it and it appears as though you never will. Even if the BSA takes away everything it was founded on. Gets rid of everything it holds dear and starts from scratch, they can still make up any rules they want to. Either agree to them or don't. So if I go start an organization youre gonna join and tell me how to run it? Give me another break. Jus

Tjhammer: only you yourself can truly know your sincerity of purpose. I do not propose to speculate on what your intensions are. However, throughout its 92-year history, the Boy Scouts of America has stood steadfast upon the principles to which it was founded. I care little to speculate what Lord Baden Powell meant in his hours of death. He was never a member of the Boy Scouts of America and his words are moot at any point. What isnt arguable is what the Founders intended the Boy Scouts of America to be. From our First Handbook Handbook for Boys, it is clear throughout what the pri