chaoman45

The religious inclusion will take a lot more time and a lot more support from the minority in order to gain traction.

Is there a list somewhere naming who's who on the Mod Squad? I never really knew until just five minutes ago.

Okay... so BB code fails. I WAS going to complain that the oldest topics were popping up first in individual forums, but I think this is a guest feature. I have no problems when I log in.

You'll probably have a small exodus from Utah also.

And with the new proposed policy you are completely welcome to do just that. There is absolutely nothing in the new policy that prevents a CO from continuing to discriminate based on sexual orientation just as they always have.

Did the policy officially change yet?

Short reply - best find a better troop.

This question is a bit stale (no offence), simply because it's really similar to the "our kids are getting worse and here's why" phraseology.

If you look 100 years back and try to compare, then yeah. Everything is gonna seem dumbed down. But Scouting changes with society. Back then, an 8th Grade education was sufficient enough to become independent. Now, it's moving toward a "why don't you have a Masters?" mentality. And considering the cost of college... yeah. You're gonna have kids living at home still. Hell, I'm still trying to find a big boy job because $10/hr won't work. In that case, helicopter parenting isn't the key issue.

As for woodlore, outdoor skills, etc., it's still the same principle. Considering most kids see sunshine and trees through a video game screen, lashing two poles with some rope is p. damn impressive. This isn't Minecraft after all.

second because homosexuals recruit and influence to their lifestyle. That is not somthing that a person who understands traditional family values wants around their boys.

No, youre wrong. This is nothing more than a crude stereotype of the flamboyant gay forcing everybody to accept their lifestyle, as if all gays make noise on pride day.

Where the problem comes in is when they start promoting, and or discussing their sexual preferences, they are then asked to leave and that is as it should be... if I were to go on campouts and discuss my sexual preferences and discuss that with the boys, I should be asked to resign or leave also.

...Again, Im curious where you get this impression that all gays have some agenda of force-feeding their lifestyle. Yes, some take it to an extreme. Most do not. But the small, vocal minority isnt representative of the select general population (in this case, gays).

Even the comparison you try to make in the quoted text doesnt make sense because you cannot aptly differentiate the fault of the gay man and straight man discussing sexual preference.

And Id be more afraid of the heterosexual pedo hanging around than the fag, honestly.

This has nothing to do with discrimination... it has everything to do with forcing others to agree with a lifestyle many will never accept and or agree with.

o_O And yet you say one post earlier...

Sometimes discrimination is fair.

I would cheerfully discriminate against a gay man who wanted to go camping with teenaged boys.

So obviously, there is a subtle but recognisable ulterior motive to discriminate. If you believe gays should keep their mouth shut and feel there is no justification in changing policy, fine. Thats your opinion and youre entitled to it. But dont say its not about discrimination... except when its fair.

lol sthumper, had an inkling you'd say that. I gotta do stuff today, but I'll respond when I have the chance.

why

...Nobody said this would have no effect.

I can't believe how fast this news is spreading. Six months after going "nope, no gays," they consider it as an option.

The funniest comments I've read about this whole thing are on the BSA's Facebook page.

Local option is best option.

Nearly a hundred years ago, people didn't want integrated troops. What did West do? Well, he didn't force a specific policy applicable to a diverse nation. He wanted local units to follow their local school system policies.

It's clear that if this passes, certain segments of society will not be as willing to accept this as others. So give some leverage and incentive to those who don't want to include gays.

Some will leave, but I think a lot of those threats are just tactics to goad National into not allowing gays in. BSA will be fine.

This is a description of the "Who Me" game (after dinner on Day 1), and not The Game of Life.

In that case, this explains a bit. But it makes the game even more unmemorable since I never recall doing it. At all.

You basically reveal stuff about your personal life like who your best friend is. I actually don't remember much of it other than "I don't want to be here doing this."

But then I read that horror story thread. The only reason I advocated removing the game was because it seemed to draw a LOT of complainers. If these issues are isolated, then it leads to a bigger, underlying problem. Maybe if that was the case, then why keep it?

Again, it wasn't memorable for me, so I actually forgot a lot of it. I was surprised to see how many people had a serious problem with it, though.

I was reading through the WB horror stories, and there were a lot of complaints with that segment. I remember no issues. Some people have feelings hurt though, apparently. Why is that? And if it's that bad, shouldn't National consider removing it?

I might actually use some of these suggestions. Not that I'm looking for criticism, but it is interesting how the parents sometimes react with more enthusiasm than the Scout.

Some cold, hard truth. With sugar on top.

Oh wow. I've been lurking off and on throughout the discussion, but it suddenly exploded.

Yeah, previously we had mixed age patrols. As the new Scouts ended their first year, we were placed in a patrol based upon sizing by adults (split up so patrol numbers were nearly equal). I was going to suggest doing the same sort of thing with the age-based since we have three permanent patrols (except let the Scouts choose based upon vacancies), but wanted to see what other people did.

I glanced through many of the posts, so I'll look at them more tomorrow. I can say that I used to be a Bobwhite and I never recall patrols changing. I think Beavah's point was that these WB patrol don't change in the duration of the course. Because yeah, they'll obviously change with a new class. Iunno.

By all means, continue the back-and-forth. I'm just here to evaluate opinions and avoid catastrophes (if any).

Why not have the Scouts ask their friends from other troops?

What do we do with this typology of parent? A few are becoming quite intrusive.

We just recently split our patrols up and did something never pursued before in the troop. Scouts got to choose what patrols they wanted to be in. Basically, the ages of these patrols are 15, 13, and 13 on average, respectively. Anybody else have experience with age-based patrols? If so, how did you ensure they didn't "die" when older boys aged out or quit? How do you incorporate new Scouts into these patrols, which are in excess of 8 each?

Thanks for all the replies. I asked only because I think we have one or two of these excessively passionate individuals in our unit. Don't get me wrong. They're of great use and all. The problem is that they tend to work really hard on something, only for it to never be used. When leadership indicates they might not use the thing these people worked so hard on, they feel unappreciated. All of this causes unneeded stress. It's not like the leadership ASKED them to do the work in the first place.

Actually, I feel like these people might lurk on the forums. And I am under no illusion that they will recognise my name. If that's the case, then please take these words with consideration. I speak from experience and I used to be more enthusiastic than the kids I'm supposed to serve. I stopped once I saw the outcome of my intensity.

I like Scouting as much as the next guy, but I see some people treat this like a second job. One guy had an entire table full of Boy Scout paperwork. Maps, rule books, awards applications, and a buncha other crap. I would have thought he was studying for a test! Sometimes, I just notice people being waaaay too passionate. I understand that enthusiasm shouldn't be discouraged, but sometimes, it comes off as scary because of how much they invest. Anyway, when do you consider someone being a bit too... intense in Scouting?

Is Boy Scout family Scouting? No.

Does our troop allow parents on campouts? Yes.(This message has been edited by chaoman45)

I hope they at least waive the impound fee. If the government drags their feet, then the bill accumulates. But it's a good thing the governments are known for speed and efficiency.