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  1. Sorry I could not let this one pass. Loss of hair for medical reasons? Come on, I call that vanity. Chemotherapy and or illness (medical reasons) may have caused the hair loss but wearing a hat does not alleviate any illness that I am aware of.
  2. Army, Navy, Scouts, they may all have different rules and regulations concerning the issue. My original point was not what was the proper etiquette but simply that it is considered bad etiquette to point out bad etiquette in public! In other words, while we may debate the proper etiquette for removing ones uniform hat while indoors for a flag ceremony, it is not acceptable to admonish someone who does not follow what you may believe is correct in front of everyone else. We have some parents who do not stand and place their hands over their hearts (forgetfulness?) during the Pledge of
  3. Its Trail Day, A clarification please. You mentioned that you expect that at a non-denominational event such as most scout functions that the service be non-denominational. Later you mentioned that you expected to hear Christian prayers as well as others, i.e. a balance. To me that is two different things. I don't necessarily equate non-denominational with multi-denominational. Should a poll be taken of attendees religions? That would be rude in my book. Where do you stop? Let's say I have a Jewish prayer and a Christian prayer. Am I over looking someone else? It is well int
  4. Rooster, you hit the nail on the head. What he (Quixote) may find obedient, I find distateful (pompous). That does not make one intolerant. We disagree, that is all. I don't question his right, maybe his motives (I really don't know the individual). Others' faith lead them on crusades, pilgrimages, missions, suicidal bombings, service to others, charitable works, jihads, solicitations, and on and on. Some of these actions I find distasteful, others admirable, some blasphemous, etc. As for that fact that I should recognize the verse he quotes, you should know that many interpretatio
  5. Rooster, what makes you think I was attacking? What I do not like is outward expressions that some make about their religious beliefs. I view it as a pompous act some of the times. For example your statement, "As a Christian, I have to question ..." Why not just state, "I have to question ..." What does having to be a Christian have to do with it? To some, it implies, whether it was meant to be taken in that regard or not, that if one was not a Christian, a different thought would be expressed. Religion to me is a very private matter. I am not a big believer in ritual, headdresses,
  6. Rooster, I am curious how you can delve the intentions of either Mr. Mori or Merlyn. Any clues?
  7. Being mistaken? The word dujour is "misspoke" something which our politicians, who never lie, often do.
  8. What boggles my mind are people who feel the need to wear their religion on their sleeves and proclaim such things as "A Statement of Faith" on a chat forum. Why would you be so presumptuous to believe that I or anyone else cares about your faith? acco40 Ecclesiastes 1 (Everything is Meaningless)
  9. I know I'll get a lot of disagreement on this but ... On page one of The Scoutmaster Handbook, it shows Scoutmaster Badges and lo and behold it includes one that has the words Scoutmaster above the BSA emblem and one that says Assistant Scoutmaster above the BSA Emblem. The whole SM Handbook uses the term Scoutmaster generically for both ASM and SM. Sort of like the term Colonel in the military, it includes Lt. Colonels. Personally, I believe that ASMs are under utilized in many troops. Why not have the ASM who is in charge of a new patrol give the SM confernce for Scout, Tenderf
  10. On a lighter note, some background information on how the "under God" was inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance (don't worry, you don't have to subscribe): http://detnews.com/2002/religion/0207/14/a06-536645.htm Hey sctmom, you may want to edit your last post, "This is about me now my daughter" makes no sense. I believe you typed "now" instead of "not"?
  11. ScouterKid, You have a dilema. If your SM won't let you or the SPL, i.e. the PLC have input into your activities outside of munu planning I suggest the following: 1) Talk to your committee chair and explain the situation in a factual, non-complaining manner. If you need to bring "back-up" about the troop being boy-led, use the SM Handbook, Patrol Leaders Guide, Committee handbook, etc. 2) Talk with your Unit Commissioner. 3) Talk with your Charter Organization Representative. 4) Go directly to your Council hierarchy. I would suggest doing the above not by yours
  12. Talk with your senior patrol leader. The SPL and not the Scoutmaster, should be organizing and manageing the troop meetings. The senior patrol leader is in charge of troop meetings from beginning to end (directly from The SM Handbook). As for the camping trips, as the ASPL, were you involved with the annual troop planning meeting(s)? If not either you should have been or the previous ASPL was. The patrol leaders' council along with the SM and other key adult leaders should have been involved with planning the year's events. If not, change the program for next year!!! Good luck an
  13. Pardon me while I philosophize for a bit. I don't want to appear sexist, but if you asked most males 50 to 100 years ago if they thought life was "fun" they would look at you funny and say life was something to be endured. The idea that life should be "fun" is a rather recent idea. Jobs, raising a family, military service, etc. were duties that were honored. I'm NOT saying those were the "good old days" but I think it is something to think about to keep the problems of today in perspective. Parents and their children do seem to over commit to various things these days. My wife
  14. Mosquitos (mosquitoes?) can be really bad in central Michigan. Lots of stagnant water, etc. And as residents of Canada & Alaska know, the cold weather does not eradicate the pesky bugs. The inside joke at camps and else where is that the mosquito is the OTHER state bird of Michigan. I know that your system reduces the number of missed items that are not brought to camp. However, it buts more burden on the leaders and less responsibility on the boys. That is a delicate trade-off. For my own son (11 yr old Star), I specifically DO NOT EVER check what he brings or not. So far my o
  15. Rooster had a good summary for when to cancel or not. The problem I have is when the majority of boys are well prepared but some are not. At this years summer camp, one boy did not bring any bug spray (northern lower Michigan). His answer, I'll just use someone else's. My response, no you will not (at least mine). He didn't want to buy any at the trading post. After being eaten up for two days, he finally realized that maybe instead of the candy he was buying, some bug spray may be a wiser investment. Alas, the trading post ran out of spray to buy, it was on order, so only then did I al
  16. Rooster, We are not arquing about your "rights", but more of consideration for others. For what ever reasons, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (Herbert Walker) and Clinton did not publicly invoke Jesus' name when reciting prayer, benedictions, etc. Bush (Dubya) did (does). Some have complained. Is he violating anyones rights? No. Does he have a responsibility to try to be inclusive (sometimes he represents the position or office of the President and not himself) and not use denominational references? Some, including myself, believe he does. When you wear the Scou
  17. "As for my personal faith and practice, I believe when I say a generic prayer I am offending God." Do you believe the Philmont Grace isoffensive to God?
  18. Green and purple? Did I say green and purple? I'm so sorry, our new T-Shirts are emerald (or jade, lime, olive, etc.) and indigo (or violet). We never would have chosen your rival's green and purple!
  19. Tolerance is an often debated subject. Rooster & Culver, maybe I should not have used the term "abhor", I was just trying to make a point. I did not mean that I found a religion or religious practice abhorant (reread my post please). What I do not like is people that are not sensitive to others. Would be in good taste to try and celebrate mass at chapel at scout camp and offer all the boys a host (wafer)? Obviously not. Does that mean that I find that religious practice or religion (Catholicism) abhorant? Of course not. Removing one's hat before grace or inside a house of w
  20. You mentioned "switching the cord." Not only would he switch from the Blue & Gold of a Cub Scout den chief and go to a Red, Yellow, Green of a Webelos den chief he can wear a Red ,White & Blue(?) cord (not more than one at a time I believe) if he served as a den chief for one full year.
  21. My wife and I have coordinated the popcorn sales for our Cub Scout pack for three years now and for my older son's Troop last year. My wife is the District Popcorn Chair. For our pack we lay out a few ground rules. I tally up pack expenses (which are paid out of by pack funds) for the previous year and divide by the numbr of boys currently in the pack. This gives a rough estimate of what it costs to run the program per boy. It usually comes out to around $40 to $60 per boy. We give parents the option of selling popcorn or donating money to the pack. Many of the parents have compla
  22. Bob White, you are absolutely correct about the Scoutmaster's involvement in recruiting ASMs. I guess that I'm just a little sensitive because many times I see the SMs using the Committee as a "rubber stamp" so often I think many forget the real purposes of the Committee. The Scoutmaster is the program representative to the Committee (but not a member) and does share the responsibility of recruiting with the Committee for adult leaders. I like to tell the new parents that I see the SM as a CEO, the ASMs as VPs, the Committee as a Board of Directors and the parents as the Stockholders.
  23. I abhor using denominational specific prayer in nondenominational group settings, something our President obviously disagrees with. I feel no need to wear my religious beliefs on my sleeve. Actually, my real preference would not be to have someone lead the troop, patrol, camp, staff, or whatever in grace/prayer but to set a side a brief time to allow each person to pray/reflect on their own. I see no need to vocalize my prayer. God has very good ears.
  24. Hey Rooster, I think we are in agreement here. I said I would not use the BSA as a forum to advance MY views. I happen to believe eating meat is an okay idea. However, I don't take advantage of my position in the BSA to promote that view and respect others who do not. You are on thin ice when you try to mix "character" and "values." It takes character to stick up for ones values, regardless of the value in question. I have a belief in Jesus but I abhor when Scouters invoke Jesus' name during grace because I believe it shows an ignorance to others at best and arrogance and disrespect to o
  25. acco40

    sash

    I'm not aware of any specific distance from the top crease. However, you don't want to start too high so the badges are on the shoulder or so low that the badges start below the front right pocket. A good start would be so that the first badge on far right side of the sash goes just above the Boy Scouts of America strip above the right pocket. See: http://mninter.net/~blkeagle/sash.htm
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