DJ72

Can anyone summarize the cross examination from today?  What points did the objecting attorney’s hammer?  Thank u in advance. 

14 minutes ago, Muttsy said:

 

This alone demonstrates the appalling inadequacy of the settlements in this Plan. Anybody want a re-vote now that you understand?

 

I have been a NO ever since the inadequacy of the Hartford settlement.  

On 3/4/2022 at 11:45 AM, Eagledad said:

The BSA vision is building character. That’s what the organization preaches, and that is what they teach. 

Barry

Attacking a survivor that didn’t have the same experience as you. Wow!  His 1000 posts are much more telling about the BSA than your rant. Leadership is much more effective when one walks the talk. Preaching is just talk if the leader fails to act in a manor reflective of the sermon.  Well over 80,000 souls were lost to  the actions of culpable, negligent and criminal BSA leaders and youth at BSA camps and properties. Just consider yourself lucky you didn’t have the same experience as OP or myself. 

From The organization Child USA, a graphical analysis of BSA ABUSE survivors.

https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A87a05e13-aae7-35d2-ae34-ce95e08bfae2#pageNum=1

29 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

A personal attack on other forum members is unscoutlike behavior.

~ RS

I'm trying to get a handle on this.  In quotes, here is the last sentence of  letter posted by the TCC to all abuse survivors.  "The Boy Scouts have announced a program for counseling. You can request information about this program by calling 1-866-907-2721 or emailing restructuring@scouting.org".  In my post, I suggest counseling for the lack of empathy toward survivors by the original poster.  How exactly is that a personal attack?  I'm asking respectfully and would like a response.  

39 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

Lets keep the discussion scoutlike.

It appears I was censored without any communication as to why for pointing out that the weakness of Skeptic's argument about the :BSA and its mostly positive outreach" statement.  This is wrong on so many level...the censorship.  It reminds me of how thing were treated by BSA leadership when I reported the abuse  that was thrust upon me.  For some, being scoutlike means trustworthy, honor and community service.  For others of us, being scoutlike means sodomy, rape and abuse.  Tough words?......absolutely.  True words?.......also absolutely.   The harsh realities of the abuse has to be at the forefront of any discussion here.   

Vote has been cast.  Will continue to watch the clown show..

26 minutes ago, fred8033 said:

From what I understand, the best path is a BSA only chapter 11 bankruptcy

 When a car salesman says, ‘This is a great deal’ my first thought is ‘For whom, you or me?  Same here.  The ‘best’ path forward for the BSA is the current proposed plan.  Great deal for BSA.........and The LCs make out like bandits in the current plan with releases granted , even to LCs in open states. These Open state LCs should not be given civil releases. They should have to fend for themselves in court.

The proposed plan is absolutely NOT the best path forward for survivors in open states with high value cases. 

10 hours ago, johnsch322 said:

PS most of the perpetrators are out of the reach of the law due to Statute of Limitations or they are dead.

This is the reason the cases never should have been co-mingled in the proposed settlement. The cases in open states should be dealt with at the highest punitive level with agreements by the BSA to be an open book and to aid in the location and in prosecution of the living offenders.   It is unthinkable to give any release in an open state.  The BSA needs to HURT over this. 

58 minutes ago, yknot said:

There have been insurance awards for anal fistulas of up to $50 million,  so even just focusing on the physical problems caused by abuse would still be staggering. I'm not sure what you mean by limiting monetary elements to actual help in the case of physical damage. Many of these things have to be corrected surgically and have comparatively high failure rates. What would be considered "actual help" for living with fecal incontinence as a result of being raped by your Scoutmaster?  What is the impact on a young man, an Eagle Scout maybe, hoping to date and have a family while dealing with that condition? Or if by some grace of God he gets married but is unable or too embarrassed to camp with his kids? Would he be able to join the military? Get a corporate job? Some people have had to endure multiple surgeries and recoveries. If just 500 survivors out of 82,000 were awarded even just $10 million for trying to cope and lead a life with that kind of physical damage, that alone would be $5 billion dollars -- far higher than the dollars being discussed in this case for everything. 

Your comments gives the best explanation about why the proposed plan is woefully inadequate.  The best possible action would be chapter 7.  Liquidate everything owned by the BSA and LCs  No releases for COs, LCs or insurance companies until all is paid out. The BSA is beyond fixing and should cease to exist.  Prosecute all perpetrators. 

What was the important announcement on the coalition call tonight?  Missed it due to work. 

3 minutes ago, Zebra132 said:

I'll have to go check that out! The debtors made it sound like it was pages and pages long and scathingly derogatory.

Where are you seeing the debtors comment Said?

Just found this link. I apologize if this has already been posted. https://boyscoutssexualabuse.com/local-council-analysis/?dstate=Alabama

In looking up up my LC, troubling to see how little they are contributing versus what the could contribute not to mention the Hartford Insurance Company liability per claim. Disgusting.  My vote will be no.  Look at Louisiana, Norwela Council to see what I’m talking about. 

13 minutes ago, 100thEagleScout said:

Kosnoff Law, Eisenberg Rothweiler, AVA Law Group and Zuckerman Spaeder.  I wrote out a whole synopsis of what each firm did but my phone crashed and I don’t want to retype it.

I thought Eisenberg Rottweiler joined the coalition. Is that incorrect?  This link shows them on the coalition website. https://scoutingabusesurvivors.com/about-us/

1 hour ago, BadChannel70 said:

I already commented on my LC's contribution to the Settlement Trust in a previous post. My abuse occurred in a open state (No SOL). Under my LC's proposed contribution, each survivor would receive just shy of $5k which in my particular case does not include my attorney fees. If the plan was approved as-is, my LC would keep $10 million plus and be released from all liability. 

I received my paper ballot in the mail last week. I am a client of AIS but ceased being a member of the Coalition a couple months ago. I returned my completed ballot earlier this week. I voted NO on the plan, refused the expedited $3,500 payment and opted out of the liability releases.

I believe I received a paper ballot because on my POC, I chose to have communications from the Court sent directly to me instead of AIS. Call it the guiding hand of the universe... At first I thought this may have been a bad idea but not anymore based on the buffoonery with the Coalition. 

My CO still hasn't contributed anything but sure likes to make arguments about how the BSA is leaving them out in the cold. I read the BK court docket so I know where they stand. Nothing shocking here even though in the past my CO paid out several hundred million dollars to settle hundreds of CSA claims. 

Which firms make up AIS?  

23 minutes ago, T2Eagle said:

I might be a little off here, but my understanding is that suits against LCs and COs are currently stayed by the bkr proceedings. 

After my discussion with my attorney, your statement above is also my understanding.

3 hours ago, Bronco1821 said:

They have totally ignored me, emailed a couple of times.  I am in a closed state though so I can't provide them with a lot of money so that's why I am no longer profitable for them.  

I sent a Daily email until time/day was  scheduled. On the morning of the call, sent a reminder by email. Overkill yes, but I will say it is a small staff.

On 10/27/2021 at 7:42 PM, DJ72 said:

It seems at this critical time of voting, that the AVA law firm has went in a black hole for any response to email or calling at a scheduled time. Is anyone else having that issue?

Happy to report,  I had a scheduled call with AVA and the call took place as planned.  Good discussion on the details of my case. 

38 minutes ago, johnsch322 said:

TCC has just filed a bunch of depositions against the insurance company's.  @CynicalScouterwhat does this latest turn of events mean?

Where would one find this information?

5 hours ago, ThenNow said:

One of the things I didn’t want to see going into this is the setting of one man against the other. SoLs already do this

Agree, SoLs are the soul sucker of this whole proposal, but unfortunately SoLs will be in the next proposal as well even if the TCC is right and a bigger pot of money emerges if/when this current proposal is voted down.  Under the current proposal, the only ones gaining satisfaction are the BSA and all entities released of further liability and the tort lawyers.  ALL survivors LOSE and the damages are woefully inadequate and their is not set aside for any counseling.   As for the LDS provision, I agree, it is along the same lines of the SoL, a great divider.  If it is allowed to stay, then it is only correct to allow the same for other LCs or COs so at least some are compensated closer to the calucualed value of their individual case.  If that is not the case, the the LDS provision should be striken from the proposal. JMO

Thank you for the welcomes. If this has been discussed previously, I apologize. Any speculative thoughts on why one debtor, LDS, is able to earmark their payment when others have not been able to do so?  As an example, why wasn’t the same logic applied to, say a local council that shows a contribution of 2 million with a low number of claims and in an open state. These claimants could possibly receive close to the valuation of their individual case. Under the current plan NOBODY receives near the valuation of their case but if a different methodology was applied, some would. Additionally, the Local Council would be paying damages to the individual scouts under their care that they allowed to be harmed.

It seems at this critical time of voting, that the AVA law firm has went in a black hole for any response to email or calling at a scheduled time. Is anyone else having that issue?