Bronco1821

Hurrah!  Finally someone said what we have ALL been thinking.

I’m exhausted...after two full years of a roller coaster ride of ups and downs, I can’t take it anymore.  I live in a closed state, sucks for me.  I have been in therapy almost a year now and it has been a nightmare.  I am certain that this was not worth it.  I voted against the plan but now I just want it to be done.  I will change my vote to yes, opt for the $3500 pay out and let my church off the hook...  I wasn’t going to win an SOL fight against their billions anyway.  Makes me angry and sad, but I honestly thought something good may possibly come out of this.  My wife understands me better and my anger and that is worth a lot.  No one said life was fair.  Just hope things at BSA change, I won’t be allowing my Grandsons to participate is scouting in any form, way shape or manner.  I will have to of course tell them why, that’s a conversation I am not looking forward to.

Is there somewhere one can go to find that their vote was recorded correctly?  I voted against the plan through the mail but my attorney is one of the "those" and I was just hoping that he somehow didn't vote after me by master ballot changing my vote to for the plan.  There are so many documents to plow through and the OMNI site is very un-user friendly, plus I'm old and not so tech savy.

48 minutes ago, DJ72 said:

Happy to report,  I had a scheduled call with AVA and the call took place as planned.  Good discussion on the details of my case. 

They have totally ignored me, emailed a couple of times.  I am in a closed state though so I can't provide them with a lot of money so that's why I am no longer profitable for them.  

32 minutes ago, ThenNow said:

100%. In fact, Dr. Kennedy said, effectively, “If you can’t get a hold of your attorney, you probably need to get a new one!”

My attorney sent an email stating that if you would like to talk to him about the vote, email his assistant and they will schedule a time.  I emailed the assistant, no response....emailed again, no response....why do I even have an attorney?  He has done nothing.  I have done all of the listening to court proceedings, reading the documents, finding information on my own.....  Could it be that I live in a closed state and won't be the cash cow he was hoping for?  I wouldn't put that past him.  

8 minutes ago, Eagle1970 said:

I'm sure there are many victims, besides me, who have researched SoL and reached out to legislators about a change or window.  I'm equally confident more States will enact changes to their SoL.  And as the case develops, more avenues are opening up to toll the SoL's.  So how can the Grey matrix be set in stone when laws are fluid?

This has always been my line in the sand.  I will never feel justice when the poor fellow across the river from me receives 5x my settlement for what may be a lower level of abuse, simply because he is in another jurisdiction.  I'm aware that we are time barred.  But I'm also aware how I was lured into this scam, with terms of "equitable compensation" and confidentiality.

To me, it all comes down to justice, closure, peace or some combination thereof.  And with my 1/82500 vote, I will never approve such a plan.  I was told point-blank that because the was a bankruptcy, SoL would not apply or I would not have gone through this, just as I haven't done my entire adult life since being informed of the SoL on civil action 40 years ago.

 

 

 

I wish I could up vote this 100000000 times

5 hours ago, Eagle1970 said:

Very well laid out. 

Though I am time-barred, I can assure the court that I have only recently, as a result of THIS process, realized the psychological damage my abuser has caused in my life.  I was always aware it had impacted me, but thought I could live with it.  Only now have I realized just how damaged I am, as a result of the actions of my abuser.  For all of these years, I have been going through the motions of living, being the tough guy and acting like I was ok.  Divorces-everybody has them.  Drinking-everybody does that.  But at age 65, this case has made me aware that I am not ok.  Maybe that tolls the SOL or maybe it doesn't.  Frankly, I don't care.  But I will say this:  I can find nothing more evil than should the BSA turn its back on traumatized victims after finally taking accountability and asking us to come forward as older men.  My proof, which was clearly indicated to be "confidential" has already been shared with my local council's insurance representatives (and who knows who else).  I just find it hard to fathom that this process would seek to destroy victims and then leave them hung out to dry.  Perhaps I should have known.

My feelings exactly.  Well said.

There may be hope.  New York Senator Gillibrand introduced a bill Wednesday that would encourage states through incentives to end the statute of limitations for criminal prosecutions and civil suits involving childhood sexual abuse.  The bill would provide states with a 5% boost in federal grant awards for training and law enforcement and prosecutors in handling child sexual abuse cases.  Let’s hope this bill passes. Don’t have a lot of faith in Congress, or the White House right now.  But hope springs eternal.

That's absolutely the LDS' view.

https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/82a47dab-b75d-43b7-ae01-00b6dc8a17b0_3263.pdf

You would think that an organization, especially a “church”, would feel some sort of moral obligation to do whatever they need to do to help victims who were under their care.  Regardless if they are forced by the court to do so.  Very disappointed in my church

On 7/31/2021 at 3:21 PM, CynicalScouter said:

 

Again, this is the TCC/FCR/Coalition version of events. But it gets at the bigger, broader point. The insurance companies are going to stall, stall, stall as long as they can and throw up every roadblock they can.

 

There aren’t many things in this world more unlikeable than insurance companies... (Deleted)

On 7/30/2021 at 2:19 PM, AnonEagle said:

At this point in the race I feel like I hitched my wagon to the wrong horse, or maybe that I should have never bothered leaving the stable.

Me too

23 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:

1. The claims process re-traumatizes and may not be worth it if it is only a few dollars at the end of this.

This is what I have been feeling for the last several weeks.  I think we were used by almost everyone.  Looks  like it has turned into a finger pointing exercise and every man for himself situation.  Especially because I wasn’t told about the SOL when I signed up.... .01% is not worth it, neither is $3500.  I get the feeling BSA wishes it had never gone this route, not that it had much choice but I don’t think they ever dreamed there were 84,000 cases out there.

I have been reading these posts with great interest....  I still don’t understand how I, living in a closed state, have any incentive to vote for this plan.  Yes, I know there is the $3500 option or the .01% I could possibly receive from any determination from the court appointed trustee which could be about $1500.00 minus the 40% lawyer cut.  I have spent tons more than that on counseling.... and basically trying to keep myself together.  I still don’t think this was helpful in any way or worth digging up the horrific memories.  I realize that money won’t make it all better but finally seeing some justice I thought would be helpful.  Now if I could just stop blaming myself.  Plus the thought of the insurance companies and my church being able to wiggle out of any responsibility makes me nauseous.

I just found out I live in a SOL state which basically means I went through all this for nothing.  Why is it to my advantage to vote for the plan?  Seems like everyone wins but me... BSA, Insurance Companies, Attorneys, Local Councils and Chartered Organizations will all be ok while I still get to go through therapy.  Nothing seems to change with this nightmare, I finally thought that something good could come out of it....guess not.  For me this was not worth it.

I am having trouble finding the table that they reference tonight regarding the different states statutes of limitations.  They said all the states were grouped into 5 tiers.  Best to worst.  I can’t seem to find that table...any help?

Wow, I could get whiplash with all of the back and forth in this case.  It's amazing to me that after 1.5 years of this case, there is so much still up in the air.  Looks like the only winners will be lawyers.  Sad. 

32 minutes ago, Muttsy said:

There is a rumor circulating that LDS is mediating with the TCC/Coalition/FCR next week. Has anyone heard anything about that? 

I seem to remember reading somewhere that LDS sponsored troops account for more than 3000 cases. 

I wonder if anything similar is happening with the Methodists, Catholic Dioceses etc. 

That is interesting.  In my case, the LDS Church selected all the leaders and in my opinion was more protective of my abuser than BSA.  I think the LDS Church definitely needs to step up.  I emailed my attorney to see how I could help.... but I didn’t get any response.  I know, he probably doesn’t need my help.  But my question is will Chartered Organizations only be responsible for cases where they were involved or will they put money into the pot for everyone?

4 hours ago, ThenNow said:

We’ve been married for coming up on 37 years and she’s heard very little about. She knew it happened and that it severely impacted me (and our lives), but that’s about it. No way I’m letting her read my POC. She doesn’t need a long shuffle through that not so little shop of horrors.

Add: I didn’t intend to imply I don’t admire and respect your ability to share it with her. Quite the opposite. 

I made the mistake of letting my wife read my POC.  It was the only way I could bring myself to give details on my experience.  I couldn’t speak the words but having them written down was supposed to be easier. It was a little horrifying, part of the fun I have been having dealing with all the reemergence of memories.  Pure hell.

So I hope I am understanding this complex case....

Ballpark timing...

2 months to vote and approve BSA deal

After that, about 6 months to deal with insurance companies and any Chartered Organizations.

Then the court appointed trustee will review each case and determine compensation...that could take a really long time...

so we are 12 - 18 months away from any conclusion?  Is that possible?

35 minutes ago, ThenNow said:

If they're being truthful about August as the trigger point for "headlong into poverty," BSA certainly does. Insurers? Definitely not. Survivors with substantial claims and/or those not wanting an early exit? We can and will be as patient as necessary.  

Oh of course, I am willing to wait for a long time if it means a fair settlement and some changes at BSA but it just seems like things move so slowly.  

Is it just me or is this dragging on and on?  The next court date not until July 21st?  Good grief, the attorneys are making a fortune by prolonging this.  Surely there can be something more done than having a hearing every 45 days.

It seems to me that Chartered Organizations should be held a lot more liable than they are.  In my case, it was the LDS church who appointed the individual who abused me to be involved in scouting.  They made all the decisions, did most of the training and making of the assignments.  I actually think it was more their fault than even BSA.