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20 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
It also is interesting about number of claims. I know at one point there was a chart listing abuse claims by year, but I'd be curious how many were pre-1975 vs. post. I seem to recall about 50% of claims being pre and 50% post around then.
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5 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
This morning is proposed (note: proposed) confirmation scheduling and solicitation procedures
I'm back to MYCVAStory's "NO WAY!"
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1 hour ago, CynicalScouter said:
But we now have a set point for how this may shake out.
Let’s call it a pushpin in the cork board or a chalk line on the sidewalk. Given strong objections from state plaintiffs’ attorneys and the TCC, that per abuse claim dollar figure needs to go up. (I realize you know that. I am circuitously objecting to the use of the word “set.”)
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I have no clue whatsoever where to put this. Maybe it’s here? Maybe it’s not? Maybe nowhere? Maybe it doesn’t matter anymore? I can assure you, there’s no legalese and it relates to this Chapter 11. Specifically, its impact on a victim claimant such as I. So that aside, here’s an update on what this process means to me. I would say it can serve as my start of the year report on, “How I spent my summer vacation,” but I spent two on this mess and lots of months in between. To be exact, 1 year, 6 months and 27 lovely days has BSA Chapter 11.
So, given my mental, physical and psychological state over the past 574 days, my trauma therapist insisted we do updated testing to determine if I am still in the land of the living or swinging wide toward vapor. The tests I took are noted below. They are pretty fun. You should try a handful sometime. Long story not quite short, this dealio we’re in the midst of landed me on George Jetson’s treadmill. I am vigorously engaged, but slip sliding in retrograde motion. I’ve moved from the Recovery Phase to the Acute (Emergency) Phase of PTSD. WooHoo! Back to the future all over again. If anyone wonders what this is doing to the victims, now you know with sprinkles on top. Cheers. The End.
UPPS-Impulsivity scale
SADS-Social Avoidance and Distress Scale
PCL-PTSD Checklist
K10-Kessler Distress Scale
GAD-Generalized Anxiety Disorder Scale
FMPS-Frost Multidimensional Perfectionism Scale
ECR-Experience in Close Relationships Scale
DUDIT-Drug Use Disorders Identification Test
DES-II-Dissociative Experiences Scale
DERS-Difficulties in Emotion Regulation Scale
DASS-Depression Anxiety Stress Scale
MMPI-3- Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory
SCID-V-Structured Clinical Interview for DSM Disorders
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26 minutes ago, MYCVAStory said:
Hmmmm....since it was my suggestion that the TCC just might file a motion to end plan exclusivity so it can file its own plan I'll see your rare OA flap and raise you a rusted metal kneckerchief slide and that sweaty "Guardian Angels" red beret we had to wear for a while 🙂
Let’s see. Do we retain the goods or ante up? Got any mint condition garters and tabs?
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3 hours ago, MYCVAStory said:
If the TCC files a motion to end plan exclusivity, right after any new plan is announced, it's pretty much guaranteed that it has its own plan locked and loaded to be filed as soon as the judge accepts its motion.
Betting odds, anyone? I can put up my Skill Awards collection, several vintage and rare OA pocket flap patches, a 12-year old’s personally carved woggle and an early 70’s Wolf Cub Scout Book sans the pages on tying a necktie. (I trashed them in frustration. No one would teach me and I kept failing utterly.)
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3 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:
I don't think a TCC plan is a panacea either.
I see no panacea in sight and said nothing of the sort. I’m just tired of BSA’s flailing and luffing and whiffing and pandering. Enough already. Puh-lease.
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15 hours ago, MYCVAStory said:
Then...a good barometer of whether this is as much as mediation could produce, or not, is whether the TCC signs on too or says "NO WAY" and signals its plan is on its way.
I don't know about all y'all, but I'm pretty much beyond ready for, "NO WAY" followed by "its plan is on the way." Let's have someone else drive the Exxon Valdez. We're within spitting distance of midnight and I think I see Bligh Reef on the radar. Still time to avoid disaster. Well, not so much, but you feel me.
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13 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
The headlines and such all read "settlement reached" after the judge's actions.
“Reached” was used by both BSA counsel and the media. That leaves “settlement” vs “resolution.” Whatever you say...
Settlement - “an official agreement intended to resolve a dispute or conflict.”
Resolution - “the action of solving a problem, dispute, or contentious matter.”
They need to learn to use words like tentative, conditional, subject to and pending official approval. This is not rocket science. “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!” Whoops. Never mind.
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1 hour ago, CynicalScouter said:
The media report/headline about "settlement reached" was premature and is getting people way, way too excited.
I’m sorry, but it is in no way appropriate to hang this on the media. As I’ve said since the Mosby statement, where in the heck are the wordsmiths, message massagers and semantic engineers? Good grief. Read the last line, in particular that double ‘r’ couplet:
The agreement filed in court by BSA attorneys late Thursday would mark one of the largest sums in U.S. history involving cases of sexual abuse. The filing, known as a restructuring support agreement, includes the BSA, abuse victims, local Boy Scouts councils and lawyers appointed to represent victims who might file future claims.
“After months of intensive negotiations, the debtors have reached resolution with every single official and major creditor constituency,” BSA attorneys wrote.
https://apnews.com/article/boy-scouts-of-america-business-d945e210108b8af1b593c43910aae4c7
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22 minutes ago, johnsch322 said:
Welcome back!!
If I'm allowed a personal note, I was tending to the wedding of the last of the kiddos and rattling my saber in another venue. Yet again, my rights, person and dignity have been trampled upon. Thankfully, this instance provides a much less elusive 'target' and I have a fairly clear path to redress. The turgid pace of this party required I find something else with which to amuse myself. All inclusive present company excepted, of course. We are neither turgid nor lacking in amusement.
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1 hour ago, CynicalScouter said:
Those violations included the failure of the Boy Scouts to properly train employees, along with failures to construct, install, maintain and operate the “Leap of Faith” in accordance with ACCT Challenge Course Standards."
Ah. So terribly sorry for that man. Awful.
As I suspected. Those findings of fault are eerily similar to a certain unmentionable suffered by many us. Well, except in our cases it had happened before, before and before some more. We made our own leaps of faith with catastrophic results. Come over here little boy. Jump head first into Scouting, but don't look now. Here comes El Cacuy. What was constructed and negligently maintained and operated is clearly is different, still maybe not so much so. Mr. Lehr's scenario is truly, truly tragic. Ours? Hm. $3M. A fair number.
Apologies if this is out of place. I'm out of practice and have waned in my love of table tennis.
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1 hour ago, DavidLeeLambert said:
The Lehr incident was also during the 2018-19 policy year. An adult leader was injured on July 3, 2018, while attempting the "Leap of Faith" at Summit Bechtel Reserve. The settlement is for $3 million (in addition to dental costs of less than $31 thousand already incurred and paid).
What was the nature and extent of the injury? Do people sign waivers prior to such adventures? Did s/he? Anyone else injured on this Indiana Jones reenactment? As in, prior knowledge and reporting/disclosure?
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2 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
I therefore worry that the "Anything" in "Ask Me Anything" will turn into "Anything not covered by mediation privilege"
AMSMBTN - “Ask Me Something More Better Than Nothing,” works for me.
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1 hour ago, Gilwell_1919 said:
... but something about this whole AIS structure doesn't smell right. I guess time will tell what comes of all of this.
I keep checking Ancestry.com to see if they’ve listed the lineage. So far, no dice. I even bought a subscription and signed up for notices. Don’t wanna miss it. I’ll post the family tree with color commentary when it lands.
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47 minutes ago, SiouxRanger said:
"Work for free, send money, don't question."
Compliant and complacent volunteers, donating money, are welcome. The troublesome, well, National has its ways.
I expect that if the same group of National staffers now employed retain their jobs after the bankruptcy, there will be membership retribution against identifiable posters on this forum.
It seems to be National's way.
I know active Scouters of this opinion are aware, but this level of retaliation and vitriol makes me - us, for those who agree - further understand how we have been treated. How would it not?
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Now, dropping this on the other side of the net.
With permission. Let me know if this doesn't work, please.
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17 minutes ago, fred8033 said:
Do the negative numbers reflect shutting down of donations? BSA has always been a donation / gift heavy organization. Few individuals and organizations want to donate during a bankruptcy. I'd imagine a bankruptcy completely dries up that funding source.
Purely anecdotal, but I've heard three people say that very thing. Effectively, "Wait to give so you don't end up contributing to the take of a bunch of lawyers."
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28 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
Here's the article but it is paywalled after about 100 words. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-case-what-to-know-11630062000
With permission. Let me know if this doesn't work, please.
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16 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:
Here are the aggregators being deposed.
- Verus Claims Services LLC (“Verus”)
- Consumer Attorney Marketing Group (“CAMG”)
- Archer Systems (“Archer”)
- Stratos Legal (“Stratos”)
Have any of these folks landed in the judicial crosshairs prior to this lovely scenario? If so, to what end? What has been alleged by the insurers and their experts doesn’t speak highly of their methods or morals. Hoping to read ahead in this 10-part dramedy screenplay. Thanks.
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WSJ has an article found via a site search titled, “Boy Scouts Draw Plan to Settle With Sex-Abuse Victims, Exit Bankruptcy. Here’s What We Know.” It’s been up since 5:44PM yesterday. I’ve been unable to click through. Thinking it may be a placeholder.
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13 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
But even if the coalition does in fact sell out they don’t control the votes
I know. We’re on two different levels of the mall trying to find each other. I get lost in a store, much less the mall. I’m talking about the breakdown of the small ‘c’ coalition of the TCC/FCR and big ‘c’ Coalition and all that can means to the next phases and processes, in addition to the vote. We have to get there, first, and together has been what’s kept things on track to this point. The Hartford deal created that little ‘c’s opposition camaraderie and the new Hartford deal may tear it apart. Oh, and getting their fees denied paved the way for the cave.
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10 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
Here's my problem with the article, and it is a major one.
Yes. That problem is inherent. My red flag the clear implication that the Coalition is selling out for the new Hartford deal, as MYCVAStory (and I less substantively) noted as an underlying fear.
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2 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:
With permission.
Boy Scouts Are Close to New Deal With Insurer Hartford on Sex-Abuse Claims.pdf
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Chapter 11 Announced - Part 6 - Plan 5.0/TCC Plan TBD
in Issues & Politics
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Excellent. He keeps saying all these cool, outlandish things I'm sending him via mental telepathy. I need these plot points, intrigue and conspiracy theories for my screenplay. Well done, TK. Right on cue. Bravo.