ThenNow

12 hours ago, MattR said:

Welcome to the forum, @DJ72

Likewise.

3 hours ago, 100thEagleScout said:

Zuckerman Spaeder

I know this firm well. Great people and excellent attorneys. You’re in very good hands. If I need representation in this mess, they would be a firm I would contact. I don’t know their history in this area of the law (CSA), but they are known for quick ramp up time and mastery. 

16 hours ago, ThenNow said:

18 hours ago, johnsch322 said:

I for one appreciate @ThenNow’s dark humor and sarcasm. It helps to have a good laugh once in awhile in all of this crap and yes occasionally I don’t exactly understand the joke but hey I only have a High School Diploma. 

Hey, bro. What did I do wrong here? I missed my transgression.

I didn’t mean to you, rather the angry accusation previously leveled against me. If it’s now a non-issue, not to worry. If I stand accused of dark humor in the name of comedic relief, I plead guilty. 

1 hour ago, johnsch322 said:

I for one appreciate @ThenNow’s dark humor and sarcasm. It helps to have a good laugh once in awhile in all of this crap and yes occasionally I don’t exactly understand the joke but hey I only have a High School Diploma. 

Hey, bro. What did I do wrong here? I missed my transgression. Am not only in denial but having another dissociative fugue? Someone better call my mother to fetch me. Oh, and do her a solid and make me shower before she does. If I’m non-compliant, try ice cream…

PS - You’re not missing much. I get all my jokes and I still don’t quite understand (me). 

1 hour ago, MYCVAStory said:

Look at your retainer agreement.  Ask how much you'd be billed NOW if you released them.  If that doesn't get their attention then suggest that you will fight paying for service you didn't receive.

It should have a clause or reference to the fee issue, as well as mutual cancellation provision. They may be willing to release you. Only maybe. Further, if you have documentation of non-performance, you may have grounds IF notice has been given and deemed sufficient. Hopefully, you have someone who can help you assess this.

1 minute ago, SiouxRanger said:

And even with this explanation of yours, and your "cutsie" reference to Spartacus, you still communicate NOT to me.  And yet I understand most of your posts, perhaps because I hold degrees equivalent to yours.

This is a forum to make communication of serious information to abuse survivors.

I have no idea what you’re talking or asking about at this point. Nor do I understand why you’re angry. Basically, I’m cornfusled. Anybody? Help a brother out?

Perhaps Spartacus will chime in on that “cutsie” reference. That entire post was serious and sincere.

1 hour ago, Gilwell_1919 said:

I wonder if AIS folks can fire their attorney and hitch their wagon to another train?

100%. In fact, Dr. Kennedy said, effectively, “If you can’t get a hold of your attorney, you probably need to get a new one!”

13 minutes ago, Gilwell_1919 said:

So Ken Rothweiller sent out a message last week urging surviors to vote yes...(video here).... but the TCC just recently sent out a vido (here) stating that the Rothweiller video was simply a scare tactic that included misinfornation. 

Any thoughts or opinions?

As to the former, it’s full of lies, scare tactics, hysterical fabrications and false accusations. 

As to the latter, it addresses the former, eviscerates them and tosses ‘em into the bass pond over their shoulders like so much chum. 

1 hour ago, SiouxRanger said:

The point of communication is to communicate.

The really important folks here are those who are NOT registered.  They are looking for information.  And it is our duty to provide that to them.

From a survivor standpoint, I’m sorry if we didn’t make that clear. We are not just responding to each other or the many, many survivors watching, listening and learning. Have you noticed how, every so often, one of us chimes in who has not been seen before? Tip of the iceberg. Also, the press is here. Fact. Tim Kosnoff is here with a large audience, which includes survivors, the Coalition, the general public and even more press. This is a massive digital bulletin board with critical, broad and timely reach. That’s part of the reason a handful of “us” are so vocal and emotional. We try to speak for our brothers, though I never want to presume I am some gallant and brilliant mouthpiece. I do know I was a hen’s tooth when I opened my mouth almost one year ago and now we are many. We soldier on and do what we can. 

Btw, I’m grateful for this platform and won’t forget Spartacus who fought for me to “stay at our campfire.”

45 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

Note that the reports I have seen are from Twitter so those individuals are probably tech savy enough to find the documents online.  I think the concern is that those who are not tech savy may to be able to actually read the documents.  I wonder who approved printing 4 pages on a single page.  At some point, why even send out paper?

Yes. It’s ridiculous. I don’t know about “who approved,” but BSA’s lead counsel, Jessica Lauria, was self-congratulatory trumpeting this feat of font compression (suppression?) in the name of cost and tree saving. Her note of it was followed by a plea for all of us to recycle.

I’m old school and I need paper to hold, scribble on and go back to for easy reference. I’ve said this to others recently, and we all know this, but this entire bankruptcy construct is horrible for a mass tort case. This is just one more illustration.

17 hours ago, skeptic said:

over 35% of the total listed claims appear to not know where they occurred, either because they do not know the council, or it is just missing.  Also, the types of abuse, as listed, appears to have 6.7% of the total that are unknown or missing.  These figures, especially the second one, seem odd to me.  I understand time is a factor, but I would think, especially the type would not be forgotten.  Granted, if the abuse was cordonned off in their minds, it might be fuzzy; but if it is recognized, I would think it would be more than just a vague "I was abused" memory. 

I am not calling anyone’s claim or legitimacy into question, but I’ve thought a lot about those numbers, having only my own frame of reference, experience and research to mull. As a survivor from an alcoholic, abusive home, I have a pretty good understanding of “walling off” memories. So, in light of that, I think the second number is very easy to understand, the first less so. I said this ages ago on the forum, but some geographic touch point seems available to most people. I lived in this town in this general location. We went to an Elk’s Club or school and I could walk. Something. I don’t understand that omission BUT the way many of us came into this process, thinking there was little to be done but submit the form, be believed and wait for an award, nothing really surprises me.

One more note on your concern about simply stating, “I was abused.” If you were abused in the worst sorts of ways, the acknowledgment is a daunting task. I think of John Humphrey’s comment on the last TCC town hall. He said something to the effect that his abuser had “unfettered access to him for about 3 years (as I recall)...probably 200 times...anything he could do, he pretty much did.” Writing that down in black and white, especially in your own hand, is down and dirty awful and terrorizing. Some survivors had never so much as said ONE WORD about it out loud, much less write it down. Ever. Some only waded through daily grief and trauma, seldom allowing it to percolate to the surface with any measure of clarity. As many of us have said, filling out the POC was a brutally unsettling and dark process. Try to keep that in mine when you ponder how someone could would writ nothing more than, “I was abused.” That may have been more than they uttered in the entire 40-50+ years since it happened. Big stuff. Hard stuff. Ugly stuff. Just my take on it.

9 hours ago, MYCVAStory said:

Remember....open, closed...attorneys will get their percentage.  It doesn't matter who gets what as long as it gets out the door so a percentage of the total awarded comes raining down. 

Take a look at what some of the non-CSA firms have gathered in terms of clients via the ad campaigns and aggregators. I am NOT saying those claims are illegitimate, but do some ciphering. If you have 500 clients who all take the $3500 off ramp, that ain’t bad for a days work (or whatever one wants to call it). What does $3500 x 500 x .40 reap? $700,000? What about 1000? 2500? And on and on. It’s sort of stunning, actually.

5 hours ago, MYCVAStory said:

The TCC has apparently had enough of Survivors being misled.  Just got a message that this video has dropped::

 

 

Everyone who agrees, please go to the video and upvote like crazy. Please. 🙏

16 minutes ago, scoutldr said:

What policy is it that "allows unscreened adults to be in charge on overnight trips"??

Is that the 72 hour dealio? 

https://www.wave3.com/prnewswire/2021/10/22/reject-vote-no-plan-say-boy-scouts-america-sexual-abuse-survivors/

Interested to hear if he had any history.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyfreeman.com/2021/10/20/rip-van-winkle-council-scout-leader-charged-with-periodic-sexual-conduct-with-juvenile/amp/

28 minutes ago, Life said:

Can we promote scouter. Com and the tcc townhall meetings  on the various platforms such as HIS YouTube channel, during the q and a at HIS town halls and any where else we can to get other less informed survivors to be exposed to the truth of all this

I’m not the arbiter of this, but I’ll note Mr. Kosnoff tweets with attribution to this forum. TCC town hall promotion is a public service. You can ask/post anything you want during their town crier events via Q&A, their site or email address. 

A guy I know found this in his email inbox. Curious.

Greetings,

You are receiving this message because you submitted a question to the Coalition during one of our recent Update Meetings. We were not able to respond to every question during the meetings. If we did not respond to your questions or we did not address them during the live presentation, please contact us at this address (BSACoalition@brownrudnick.com) to let us know how we can help. We will do our very best to respond promptly. 

Please also check out the Coalition’s website, www.ScoutingAbuseSurvivors.com. Sample documents and answers to frequently asked questions are provided on the site.

Thank you for your support of the Coalition and survivors of abuse.

Sincerely,

The Coalition of Abused Attorneys for Payoff [name changed to implicate the guilty]

2 hours ago, MYCVAStory said:

The hypocrisy is beyond what I ever thought was possible.   SURVIVORS DESERVE SO MUCH BETTER THAN BEING MISLEAD AND SUBJECTED TO FEAR-MONGERING.

Note on this from the world of psychology and physiology, which we all pretty much know from our own study and my rants. Fear is an emotion/state that is a reaction to a threat, real or perceived. It typically produces self-protective responses, including increased flow of adrenaline and cortisol. Some of us fight. Some freeze. Some flee. And, many of us forget. When fear is used to intimidate someone toward danger, rather than away from it, this on its own fits squarely within the definition of abuse. If one lies to convince, lures with promises and instills fear to motivate, that is some bad juju right there. Let the fear mongers beware. Escaping into danger. I might write a play by that title.

By way of true scholars:

“The main function of fear and anxiety is to act as a signal of danger, threat, or motivational conflict, and to trigger appropriate adaptive responses…Ethologists define fear as a motivational state aroused by specific stimuli that give rise to defensive behavior or escape.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181681/#__sec1title

2 hours ago, Muttsy said:

More of THE KEN SHOW starring KEN and featuring the SHYSTERETTES!

I encourage all to go to this post on YouTube and leave your comments. 

1 hour ago, MattR said:

@ThenNow please stop with the scat references.

Oops. I forgot. Seriously. Please insert “Hoover” for all such references. If I could do a search and replace, I would. Sorry.

FYI! I think Mr. TK has noted this, but from an official Forum poster. Read this and weep, Mr. Rothweiler!!

Just heard from a little birdie of my same type of feather that…

Thursday's TCC Town Hall....

will…

feature Michael Johnson taking questions from John Humphrey and Dr. Kennedy to further elucidate how ridiculously WEAK the youth protection part of this plan is. Ken & Brownie’s one seat on the board plan of salvation is pointless, meaningless and no measure of redress. Neither this plan nor that celebrated non-Phoenix will stop the abuse.  Tune in all ye who hear my voice, er, digital conveyance!!

1 hour ago, Muttsy said:

The only piece of clarity that could shake up the carriers, LC’s and charters is a resounding NO vote by the survivors. 

Ok. So, as I have seen and expect from future town halls hosted by the TCC and Coalition of Abused Attorneys for Payoff, I think these are some keys:

1) apathy from some, perhaps many, who just don’t vote;

2) the potentially significant number who grab the $3500 exit ramp and take the Snagglepuss path to resolution, the calculation of which the judge is likely to reduce by some factor;

3) the high motivation to vote “Hey’ll NO!” by the likes of us survivors on this forum (and Kosnoffites); 

4) the ongoing absurdity of the Ken & Co. Late Show, which I believe is bombing BIG TIME. In my analysis watching and taking my glorious notes, that fuse was, is and will be lit by the contrived emotion and repeated fabrication of ill-motive and complacency by the TCC. Messa would bet the (“Hey’ll NO!” vote) ratings will likely bear it out; and

5) an increasing number of survivors will watch The TCC Is Me, where we get the straight skinny, fire breathing from the Stang and the sort of vulnerability and commitment to fight for ALL BSA SURVIVORS, as displayed by John and Dr. Kennedy last night. (Those very real tears and moment of clear anguish by Dr. K is very attractive (in the literal sense) and compelling for us. When I hear and see stuff like that, I am even more locked-in to believe those guys and track with their recommendation. Greater future attendance will translate to more “Hey’ll NO!”.

Also, if the media does what I hope they do (and have inklings they will), there will be a new clarion from articulate survivor voices popping out of our bunkers and getting fair coverage. That serves to add to our numbers and additional votes for the good guys. This is the thinking swirling around in my little brain, anywho. I predict caviar tears will fall and champaign dreams will turn into nightmares. So say we all? (Nod to Battlestar Galactica.)

1 hour ago, johnsch322 said:

546 survivors in the Larry Nasser, USA Gymnastic case get 400 million dollars of which the majority of the settlement will be funded by insurers. 

Is there a TDP-type claims matrix in the case? I’m none too familiar with the case. As in, who gets how much and based on what calculus? Or, is it Evie Stevie? 

Also, is the insurance portion an established contribution, ala Hartford’s turd or TBD as to hoped for funding?

1 hour ago, ThenNow said:

is

I think that shoulda been an “are,” but at this point, since I can’t edit, it is what it is. Which is, such as it is, an “is.”

On 10/20/2021 at 12:58 PM, ThenNow said:

On 10/20/2021 at 11:21 AM, Eagle1993 said:

Boy Scouts' settlement plan unjust, Arkansas victims say

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2021/oct/20/boy-scouts-settlement-plan-unjust-victims-say/

Anyone have info on how to watch this presser?

Sorry. I put this over on the other bobbin when it shoulda been here. My bad. Send me to the wood shed...

Follow up from the AR press conference. Just skimmed through this. Oh, the irony. The Coalition is shielding itself behind an anon Eagle Scout who makes his case for the future of Scouting. BSA is shielding itself behind the Coalition. “See, they represent all these survivors and they like it!” Do “they”? I don’t think so. Not even the Coalition really knows who their “they” is, do they? 

https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/10/21/as-sex-abuse-victims-consider-a-settlement-boy-scouts-of-america-weighs-in

https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/10/20/some-arkansas-victims-of-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-scoff-at-what-they-see-as-an-insufficient-settlement-offer