ThenNow

2 minutes ago, PeterHopkins said:

Wearing the Phoenix pin is a different decision from agreeing to be publicly (or perhaps privately) acknowledged for achievement despite going through an experience no child should have to endure. Many Scouters have received awards they choose not to wear.

Help me understand. I'm not sure I do. Thank you kindly.

14 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

There is the Ice Age Trail in Wisconsin. Devils Lake in Wisconsin is a neat place.

This is probably the most sentimental hiking and camping location of my life. I did it with Scouts and otherwise. Along with two best friends, we did it a couple times. One of the two was killed in a head-on crash in the summer of 1976. He was a very close friend, fellow Scout and his dad SM across town. My friend died along with his parents and younger sister. My other friend and I returned the next year to memorialize him. I've not been back. Coldest bath I've ever taken was in Devil's Lake.

16 hours ago, MattR said:

The best store in my town is a local shop with knowledgeable people that will just start bringing out piles of boxes.

I can't think of many places that even have highly knowledge people anymore. REI is the only one that comes to mind. 

3 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

This is a critical concept. Creditors of National, who ONCE HAD a legal claim against National are simply not part of the concept of the bankruptcy law. They are NOT claimants in a bankruptcy sense.

So, NATIONAL proposes, through its PLAN, contrary to all bankruptcy law, that scouts, now adults, who no longer have any legally enforceable claim against National (due to the passage of time, and having passed statutes of limitation), should be included in the class of claimants entitled to a settlement payment.

1 hour ago, NJScout1980 said:

People from closed states will receive some form of justice and payment even though, sadly in all legal reality, are entitled to nothing 

Here's an odd thing about creating a justice and award metric based only on timing and geography. Timing (as opposed to time) and geographic limitations are malleable. By the flick of a pen a governor can sign a law presented to her by the state's legislature that says, "Our state is now 'open' for BSA CSA claimants who, on 2.18.2020, were not 'claimants' (as you say)." That what was not, now is. [*SWISH* & *FLICK* & *POOF*] States have opened since the commencement of the case legitimizing those who you rightly identify as previously SOL-barred. If the case drags, on I believe other states will open. If someone goes from Gray 3 to open before they appear before the Great and Powerful...[*POOF*]

In similar fashion, I entered this case clearly subject to the defense of time-bar. Then, in April of 2021, I discovered an IVF implicating the SE who oversaw our LC and my Troop. [*POOF*] I have a tolling argument to defeat the time-bar defense. I believe fraudulent concealment factors into more cases than mine, the research just hasn't been done to connect the dots.

I appreciate the attempt to paint the law, and this case, in black and white, but Shades of Gray it truly is, my friends. And, I would submit, it is getting more so. Grayer, that is, not shadier. Okay. Well, that is debatable, but a completely different topic for another post.

1 hour ago, skeptic said:

This just posted in the United Methodist's Men web site.  Charters extended through June to allow time to work through the myriad remaining concerns.  https://www.umc.org/en/content/united-methodists-extend-bsa-charters-through-june-2022

Per the announcement in the link, the BSA settlement and the new YP Non-Monetary Commitments, I would say it's a very good bet the UMC will be one of the CO members on the Youth Protection Committee. If so, that will go a long way to create a tight protocol for their YP through active and ongoing collaboration with the BSA YP Executive and Youth Protection Committee. I assume everyone can access the documents I mentioned.

1 hour ago, gpurlee said:

You raise a good question. Within our council there recently was a multi million dollar settlement involving a police exploring program. Three officers charged for offenses involving both male and female explorers.  Knowing there was a decades long problem with abuse within these programs, one wonders why oversight was not stronger and protection policies not enforced. 

Is there a data picture illustrating any concentration of type(s) of sponsoring organizations across the cases? Do they center around law enforcement or first responders? The few I’ve read all did. Curious and not accusing or pointing a finger. Looking to answer a question.

2 minutes ago, qwazse said:

Just to be clear about risks: rest stops have higher airborne transmission than airports, and consequently truckers are at higher risk of Covid or flu than flight attendants. But being tall, I already have several knocks against modern flying. I can respect that masks may be the greater discomfort for some.

If we’re talking about conditioning, I wouldn’t spend more time traveling than I would hiking. If we’re talking about touring, give yourself margin to enjoy a half day before and after the hike. Also, mid-week, many places are much less crowded.

I don’t do well wearing a mask, after having had adults put their hand(s) over my mouth in abusive situations. I didn’t realize how problematic this part of my trauma was until COVID.

Good points. I prefer not to drive 9 hours to hike, of course. 

15 hours ago, qwazse said:

The nice thing about the AT is that it’s popular.  For some folks, that’s the worst thing about it.

Yeah. I’m definitely not a road more traveled person, if I can help it.

25 minutes ago, Eagle1970 said:

And I wish anyone with a questionable claim would do exactly that.  The higher degree that claims are vetted (i.e. the greater the requested detail claimants will have to furnish) the more will opt for $3500.

This is such a problematic area. Take a 60+ year old man abused at 8 while at a distant camp. He left left Scouting immediately thereafter may not now much of anything other than what happened to them and some of the setting. I've thought about this a great deal after I wrote something to the effect that, "surely you know where you lived, names of some of your fellow Scouts, and etc. That may be a small minority, it may be a goodly number. I really would like to know how many people manipulated this system, including attorneys and claims aggregators. They have abused the system and all of us abused as Scouts whether claimants or not. I take it as a personal affront and offense. I've thought about that a lot, too. 

28 minutes ago, SSScout said:

Could you consider the C&O/Great Allegheny Passage Trail?   Old rail road R/W and canal water level trail.  Lots of urban support nearby. ::  https://gaptrail.org/

 

It’s a fair piece, but nothing drivable is out of the question. (I am not flying in a mask, thank you.) I’m nine hours away from the point the map id’s as the trailhead. 

10 minutes ago, ThenNow said:

481 V3?

Doing an Amazon "Try before you buy" on this model. Now, I am forced to do something several times within 7 days.

2 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

New Balance trail running shoes

481 V3?

26 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

So, you're a late fall or early winter chicken? 😁😁😁

Not me. My GA Peach. I still sleep at my fishing shack with the heat off in subfreezing (inside) temps. Just bought a cot for a run at the screen porch when it looks to be sub-20 here tomorrow night. My bag is the same one I bought at REI in 1976. It's a gorgeous Camp 7. Been all around, including Okpik. It's had TLC since it was born. 

That is below 20 and not sub -20, to be clear and not to mislead. I'm not yet ready for that 40 degree dive again. 

1 hour ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

Your footwear is critically important. Do you currently need arch supports, or have a wide foot?  I do, and use New Balance trail running shoes, as they accommodate my orthopedics.

Next...crawl, walk, hike, backpack...I'm sure you are past the crawling.  Do you walk a lot?  If not, start there.  Even on a treadmill, if necessary.  Can you walk five miles at a good pace (you have to define this for yourself) with no problems?  If yes, you are ready to do longer days hike.  

Narrow with plantar fasciitis supports. New balance have been my shoe for decades. They stopped making my number or changed it a lot. I’ll see what I can find.

I am in a very hilly neighborhood with easy to challenging natural trails nearby. We walked 3 a day in the neighborhood until the colder weather deterred my wife. I used to do the park with my (then living) dogs several times a month. That was a good bit ago. 5 flat for sure. Have to build back in our neighborhood. Good advice, all. I am very competitive and tend to push. With the trauma issues, I’ve battled eating disorders and exercise addiction back in 2010-2012. Wound up with a heart attack. Low carb, low fat and 600+ calorie per day burn on cardio alone. I’m past that now after residential treatment.

Thanks!

I know this is like asking for opinions on the best BBQ and other highly contested subjects, but recommendations for light hikers? I wore Merrills for a while then the last and sizing got off (and my feet bonier) and they became uncomfortable. I’ve given away the last two pair I’ve had. My Gortex boots are well-preserved Montrails and I still like them a lot.

1 hour ago, Eagle1970 said:

One stipulation though, regarding shades of Gray.... I'd sure rather be in Gray 1 than my happy home of Gray 3.  The whole Gray scale drives me to drink.  You are either closed or open.  Gray 1,2,3 classification is arbitrary, and I'm sure there were cases where it was a coin toss between the categories.

I still would like to read the white paper and source materials on which these scales were built. We’ve been told these categories were created in consultation with the most experienced child sexual abuse state court attorneys. I believe it, but please show me. This is a complex, politically-charged and speculative calculus. We deserve to understand it. Wasn’t there something called a Disclosure Statement back when. Hm…🤔 

My primary abuse was in Gray 3, with smatterings in Grays 1 & 2. I think I should get to pick a jurisdiction and move all my chips to that shade. 😬

16 minutes ago, qwazse said:

#3 … get a buddy. Preferably a family member or two who will start this journey with you.

This will be tricksy. I have few and family far flung.

24 minutes ago, vol_scouter said:

I doubt that the BSA can survive while hemorrhaging money to attorneys until 1 August.  There has been solid membership growth but I doubt that it can allow things to go on.  

19 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

I think the costs drop substantially by end of March.  Since the TCC, FCR will likely not appeal, their costs should almost go to $0.  Even the costs in district/appeals court should be a lot less (no voting to pay for, etc.).  Looking at the history, early on they were spending at times less than $1M per month.  I could see us return to $1-$2M per month vs $10M right now.  

However, if this plan is rejected ... I am VERY concerned.  I think this is the last swing of the bat.

I know! Debtor counsel can waive their fee until this is over and give the balance of the 10% they didn’t offer up (as PSZJ did) to fund the trust. Problem solved, no? If I were in the development office of BSA I know the first calls I’d be making once this is a wrap. 

I promise I'm not lurking, but found this thread by virtue of the title. When I attended the NOAC in 1977, it was my first exposure to the trail and TN for that matter. I went home with a desire to hike the trail and lifelong allergies, which I had not previously experienced. I had to schlep tissues everywhere bc the hankie gets gross after a while. So, here I wake up and I'm 60. In the interim, I've have had 9 orthopedic surgeries, umpteen injections and procedures and multiple RFA treatments (on everything from L5-SI). Among the surgeries were a knee replacement and 2 each on both shoulders. My interest in hiking has started to itch, probably spurred by this forum, but I am a bit of a mess. Two questions:

1) I plan to hike the hilly trails around me, start carrying a light pack and build from there, once I see how I do. Could be an adventure within and adventure. Any specific recommendations for someone like me? I will definitely use at least one stick. My back is effectively pain free bc Radio Frequency Ablation fries the nerves. I need to go in for a round on SI to be certain I'm good to go.

2) What are the least aggressive parts of the trail to make a start? I believe the lower section in GA is among them. 

Thanks muchly!

28 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

One area the judge seems to be concerned about is the $20K fee ... why not just send everyone through TDPs.  We will see..

Yup. I don't think the key votes move from reject to accept without the significant multiplier on the "high value" claims.

On the notion of high and low value claims, I saw my psychiatrist this week. Of course, we were talked about the case including the range of potential awards. I thought she was going to fall out of her chair, throw something and/or pull out her hair. She was aghast. I know, I know. There's no money. 55,000+/- of us are Shades of Gray and should be happy to get something rather than nothing. Forgetting that, this is how people in the real world, not to mention those who work with trauma patients every day, feel when they hear about the case. High rollers get access to the high value. Mr. B is not happy.

PS - I don't know if the high entry fee mini-trial is the right thing or not. It certainly is a creative and expedient way to accommodate the disgruntled open state folk. All I know  is how I feel. Right now, it's pretty much like I wasted two years of premature hair loss, stomach lining, sleep and relative peace of mind. Likely my own fault. 

1 hour ago, ThenNow said:

3 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

Bankruptcy professor is asking about the independent review option

 

Yup. I asked this earlier. It jumped out immediately. Where did this come from, pray tell? 

AHA! From my mouth to Mr. B's ears. "I've never heard of a $10,000 filing fee." Me either.

2 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

 

Bankruptcy professor is asking about the independent review option

 

Yup. I asked this earlier. It jumped out immediately. Where did this come from, pray tell? 

Pretty good news piece and a better one.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-02-10/bsa-reaches-deal-with-official-abuse-claimants-committee

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-10/boy-scouts-reach-bankruptcy-deal-with-attorneys-for-sexual-abuse-survivors

7 minutes ago, SiouxRanger said:

This is English?

"Tom gets 6 marbles, Al, and his brother Art, if the wind is from the Northwest, on the third Tuesday of July, get 5 marbles going to the brother who has the best of three Rock-Paper-Scissors match..., otherwise, those marbles go to..."

“Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?”