jcousino

Here is my log for this fire BSA will never put out some thing that could be viewed as negative. (but True) do not scare the volunteers off

If most volunteers  and charter partners  where told that if a event occurs and BSA insurance determines that you where not following BSA  safety rules your on your own , remember what you signed in that charter agreement (Personal Defense and liability costs in the 9 figures for wrongful death of an 12 year old.) No rational person would knowingly take that on. Even more so in the light of BSA past insurance issues,

Love the study of outdoor risk management from my little formal training Most Troop and District level events are scary. Now with  NCAP (short term) standards most activities that i am aware of would have several safety gaps. Then at the troop level even who,s watching

Just an easy example do you know if the person driving others youths to camp  even has a valid drivers licensee . Have you checked?

Fr. John

who has over oversite on what is transmitted between persons. And who control what external sites they can visit or can been a closed off monitored chat room. I am old. 

Just a side note about point a laser in the sky be sure not to point them at an airplane as this can results in criminal penalties.

LOL

it more likely Moose, Eagle , Elk,  Legion they all fall away?

Still not sure why any of them take the risk with a troop that does not meet at their location  

I sure that my troops new CO does not know what the troop is doing

BSA would find a way of running ads on it (LOL)

no it looks i miss read the post sorry.

still a great story .

may need help with my reading comprehension

one of the other writers called it a quinzhee (snow cave) so, so that is my reason for questioning it.

After reading the story did not see any snow caves. 

But still, a feat of its own just not 1000 days in a snow cave

the time is right based on the starting date.

3 years straight?  Not sure of that many places in Minnesota that keep a temperature that would keep snow year-round unless you were very high. he may have done this each winter for 3 years plus, maybe. 

Not sure that the facts are correct?

1000 hours over winter very possible 

Church normally do not pay taxes on the worship center and support building and the parsonage. Other church own property can be subject to taxes. 

"We own our meeting place, "

Not sure how that's works as the troop can own nothing as it a fully owned part of it charter partner.

I let some of the real lawyers here explain how that would be possible as the troop is not is own personality. all property belongs to the charter group or council if the group folds?

I've participated in many ceremonies in and out of scouting.  Ceremonies mark achievements and transitions. 

That is true only if what you are receiving has meaning to you. Been through also a lot of ceremonies including an ordination and varies degrees. The ones that still have the most meaning to me are the ones that i had to put effort, work and sweat it. I valued the process and product. Not sure what Kids at that level value. OA now at best is a sidestep to eagle, not sure how much that is even valued today in scout. Yes, we want everyone to reach it, (we are not eagle mills ,but that a different subject) Keep changing the level of requirements when people ae not reaching it. Some of the brighter youths tell me i need eagle so that i can get into a upper-level college. (Another subject) that all it means. I interring read is look at how each generation views itself and the world. It may help you understand some of their though process and why things that for us were meaning full are not to them.

8 hours ago, MikeS72 said:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Pretty sure that members of the National OA Committee do not also sit in Congress.

You are free to speak But BSA is not any part of the government, so it is also free to limit its membership based on its own whims. The only real pressure one can apply against BSA is to work to affect (been effective in the past) their funding BSA is a private group. 

The moderators of this chat board can limit or ban any they want as the chat board is privately held

The local and membership really has no required say in the action as earlier members have point out The OA is totally own within the BSA The nation BSA level is the only answer that matters. sorry but that's what is comes to. Make too much noise and you will get a letter saying We thank you for your past services, but they and you are no longer needed. Without recourse. (Private group can manage their membership as they see fit)

look like we got into the OA about the same time (1974). I do miss some of the things from back then. But some of things needed to go

   Taps outs where collar bones were broken or at least the scouts were taped into the to the ground

    Ordeal that was filled with fear that you would mess up

   Members who used it as a hazing zone of younger scout to the point of tears (not the USMC)

   Using and stealing other cultural symbols and dress

  Became just a workday at camp to most scouts

But we are not dealing with same scout movement or scouts (its all numbers not quality)

    Scouts are younger

     Symbolism has no meaning to scouts

    less prepared scout skills.

     everyone gets in

    it became an Order of Adults

Just my view 

  john

 "Christmas visitors were alien to anyone who’d have a religious or political connection to the story about to unfold.  that i will respectfully disagree with mostly likely  they were Babylonian... if we review our old testament history where God sent the jews into captivity it was to Babylon "Daniel eventually became a chief advisor to the King, then the third ruler of the entire kingdom.  So even hundreds of  years later the teaching of Daniel and his God  would have been part of Bayloon wisdom.and with all the jewish prisoners'  So yes they knew of the birth both through history fortelling, the location and who,s  and timing based on the Stars(star). It stand to me alw that God would send his people into captivity and cause that nation to be the first nation to recognize his Son as KIng of Kings before the nation of his birth

Merry Christian

john 

I Hope this is in jest, but making fun of any faith is un scout behavior 

thanks that what i thought it should be. 

I need help to Understand how councils are doing the 16 hour wfa BSA class in under 8 hours 

I have been teaching this class back from the days That it came out of NC Chapter of the ARC

I currently teach across several agencies and I am wonder with out requiring a 8 hour online part first how groups are going it in only 8 hours

ECSi lists an 8 hour basic course but it does not need the BSA 16 course requirements or has this just move like a lot of thing lets just check the box off and hope nothing happens

PS they offer cpr in 45 minutes that what their program lists

John

Sadly it is just the trickle down of low scout numbers as scouts number of down 50% so would i would expect the OA number to be down the same or worse

Added to the fact the the OA even with its attempts to rebrand its self is not that appealing to to todays scout. At best its get the flap and that's it never see you again. or its just an expected side stop on the train to Eagle.

With the upcoming and ongoing mergers of councils and lodges OA will move to mainly  to the Order of Adults trying to relive a past glories.

I see a lot of disillusioned scouters when the childhood lodges are no more. or ego fights when lodges are merged .

john

once again thanks 

but once if there is a problem its going to be in their laps Let the vol. run and plan the event just be their if needed , helps when you come to me asking for money if i have talked with you at events. 

One of them pro  sign off as the last person.

If something goes wrong, it rests in their lap too

been proven wrong too many times that part of their job is to make sure scouting policies and rules are practiced.

thanks for the up date

looks like i was wrong based on 8.0.1.5

After the Review
If a board does not approve, the candidate must be so
informed and told what can be done to improve. Most
Scouts accept responsibility for their behavior or for not
completing requirements properly. 

I am still having a little trouble with that

• once a merit badge is sign off it has been earned even if the dad signed. if they were approved  listed councilor
• ( advance chairmen needs to limit badge through the committee or district)
• Scouts are not held back because of errors of adults 
• Scoutmaster signed scoutmaster conference off so it was completed

back to my original point what does the BOR have the power to do.

Maybe this is just an other place scouting guideline and rules conflict.

If i need to go outside the troop that tells a bigger story i will be joining the second troop

Ps just an off the wall question i know a scout can be a member of difference groups( ie troop and and a crew) and work on scout level ranks with the crew

can a scout be a member in two troops?

love to see who completed the Short term camping forms.

The Scout exec could have come or CC (lol).

i have always been told the BOR was for the troop committee to judge the heath and life in the troop through the scout's perspective.

Not to judge the scouts worthiness for the rank

BOR  cannot retest, what is signed is done its not up for debate.

Asking about how things were earned  goes back to the idea of troop process and health. 

The scoutmaster has already signed off on spirit and hours in position so that done 

Asking about how things were in that position goes  back to the idea of troop process and health.

Not sure what's left, sorry but at time adults on a BOR get on little power trip.

If there is problem with a SM then the committee needs to fix the issue or ask the CO to replace the SM

They really are the last with say so on scout Spirit.

j

to me, apple to apples would be last year's to same date as this year. But again, we are playing with incomplete.

number

>when my college reports enrollment data year to year same date lets us know how will stand as compared to past years It would interesting to see how new registrations year to last look

March should tell the tale