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  1. 10 hours ago, Cburkhardt said:

    "Sad" council (mid-sized suburban/rural, history of bad management and known for internal disputes):  Lost 19.7 overall, including 21.3% Cubs and 15.6% Scouts.  Finances now catastrophic, including massive and non-sustainable operating deficit.  Huge mortgages on worn-out current facilities.

    I guess we are the "Sad" council 😰😥😱

  2. Owls...

    Here is the link to the 2018 IRS 990


    you can get a lot of info there...see line 10, Investment Income, $1,258,846 ...further broken down into $375,217 investment income...and a sale of $4,358,597 in securities, netting a capital gain of $883,629 (a gain of 25% from their basis of $3,474,968...that's good money, depending on the time held!!)

    Enjoy the read...

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  3. Also Owls...some public information that most SE's don't want to see the light of day...salary info.

    But, as 501 c 3's, they receive a public benefit of not having to pay taxes, so the IRS requires certain info to be made public in their IRS Form 990 filings...easily obtainable...

    For example, I see you live in Montana...a quick search yielded the 2018 IRS 990 for Montana Council, and, at the time, Interim Scout Executive was paid $150,208, while the retiring SE was paid $143,691...you can add up to total salary paid...  that's where much of your council fees are going.

    If you dared, you could ask your council office for their current IRS 990, which they are required, by law, to provide to the public upon request.

    Fair warning...in doing so, you will quickly become persona non grata...


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  4. 2 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

    The SE has ways to manipulate who is a member of the council executive board, and stay in his position.

    This is the dirty little secret...

    The other piece of this that many council professionals want to remain hidden, is that the Chartered Organization Reps are voting members of the Council Board, and a grass roots movement among them is the scariest thing in the world to the SE, as they hold a great deal of power that they never wield...

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  5. 8 minutes ago, David CO said:

    That's where the $$$ is.

    David CO, are you saying that the early guys saw a money-making opportunity in the Scouting movement, quickly incorporated, merchandised the operation, eliminated the competition, and used their influence to garner a Congressional Charter to seal their virtual monopoly?

    Say it wasn't so!!

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  6. On 9/9/2020 at 4:31 PM, Owls_are_cool said:

    But my concern is that he will be spoon fed information, instead of him having to research/explain/demonstrate the topic himself.

    Welcome to Scout camp!  Well...most of them...

    On 9/9/2020 at 5:46 PM, DuctTape said:

    Advancement with mBs in absence of true adult association denies the scout the opportunity as promised by scouting. 

    I have said it before...DuctTape for National Commissioner!!!

    On 9/9/2020 at 6:05 PM, Nathan1001001 said:

    in my troop, scouts must learn the requirements mainly by themselves.

    This is how it is supposed to be...a Scout reads the requirements and begins working on fulfilling them.  When ready (and after a leader consult) , the Scout works with the Counselor to find a way to meet them.  The Counselor can help fill in any knowledge gaps or skill deficiencies, or connects the Scout to other resources to learn.  This process iterates until all requirements are complete...

    On 9/9/2020 at 6:05 PM, Nathan1001001 said:

    An ideal way, in my opinion, where a Scout completes a merit badge is where an individual scout or group of scouts research, learn, and figure out what the requirements are asking. They familiarize themselves with it, and then they go to their adult leaders to discuss what they learned and the leader can decide if the Scout has learned enough about the topic and are sufficient in it.

    See above...


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  7. Owls...

    I have some incomplete info about how the SE is selected, but would love to have some of the actual pros here outline the process with more granularity...

    As for DE's, anyone who walks in the door with a college degree and no disqualifying criminal record will probably be hired.  This is a Council decision, so, ultimately SE (??).

    The turnover rate for DE's is super high.  Most come in with great intentions and dreams, and after they find out what it is really like, they leave.

    I have been offered a DE job in every council I have been a part of (except the overseas councils)...and turned them all down at the advice of my DE friends ;)


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  8. Those who want to separate Scouting from the BSA migrate to a grass-roots, no-professionals-needed program.  They use the original BP materials,


    and leverage modern information-based tools to wiki their knowledge together on how to run a successful program.  They run locally autonomous Scouting programs out of their churches, schools, and civic organizations, which provide them spaces to meet. They camp at local, county, state, national parks and do outdoors activities accordingly. They use commercial off-the-shelf (and cheaper) clothing for "uniforms".  They use the Congressional Award for Youth as their replacement for Eagle Scout.


    None of the other accouterments.

    Aren't the Scout Promise and the Scout Law enough?


  9. I have a Patrol Leader who has asked if his Patrol can have their own hat.

    There used to be a blurb (I think) in the G2AI similar to the current neckerchief guidance; "Scout neckerchiefs are optional. Troops choose their own official neckerchief. All members of a troop wear the same color. The troop decides by vote, and all members abide by the decision."

    The only place I can find a reference for hats is in the Uniform Inspection Sheet; "Headgear. All troop members must wear the headgear chosen by vote of the troop."

    Notice that the headgear entry does not say they have to be the same, as it does in the necker verbiage. 

    I'm leaning towards saying "Yes", but only after the PLC agrees...

    Any sage advice?

  10. We did it, and the Scouts loved it!  Older Scouts got to load and fire a flare gun, and the youngers got to light marine flares (30 Scouts in total).  Most of these we acquired from out of date items that boaters in our unit had.  Many had not checked their boat's gear for some time, and were happy to hand over the expired items for training. (Coast Guard could issue a citation for expired gear, and/or make you return to port to replace...) We put out a Notice to Airmen through the FAA, and called our county emergency dispatch, our neighboring county emergency dispatch, and the state forest fire service.  All gave us a thumbs up and were glad we were giving training to young folks.

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  11. On 7/18/2020 at 11:14 PM, Troop75Eagle said:

     What I fail to understand is how certain people of groups hijack the English language and take it upon themselves to redefine what is acceptable or not.  The very fact that people have to quibble over the title used successfully and without nefarious meaning for all this time demonstrates the human propensity to simply try to re-invent the wheel.  Humans can and  will take any word and make it sound ugly.  The problem often isn’t the word, it’s the intent and manner of the user. We have numerous multiple meanings and uses of the same words and ideas for all sorts of situations, often in contradiction.  People might say that words matter.  They certainly can, but it’s how they are used.

    Here's a great essay on Orwell's 1984 and this concept...


    Enjoy the think piece  ;)

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  12. I take flares on week-long canoe treks, especially in Adirondacks...and on every boat outing I've had in coastal waters...never been in the deep blue, but I'll bet they are on every boat at Sea Base...and as stated by others, Sea Scouts use 'em...

    As my OP said, a Scout asked if he could do the road flare to fulfill the requirement.  I have already told him, "yes," and will gladly sign his blue card when he completes the other four ways to attract attention...

    If flare guns are part and parcel of your Scouts' lives, as they are around here, I see no harm in teaching them how to use them safely.


  13. 19 minutes ago, 69RoadRunner said:

    The merit badge is Wilderness Survival.

    I'm willing to bet your definition of "wilderness" and mine are very different...

    Wilderness Survival Merit Badge 1983

    Graduate - USAF Water Survival Training Course October 1990 (renewed every three years until 2014)

    Graduate - USAF Combat Survival Training Course November 1990 (renewed every three years until 2014)



    Wilderness First Aid Instructor since 2016


  14. If there is one type of boating safety equipment you are unlikely to use until you need it in an emergency, it's pyrotechnic visual distress signals - as in flares, rockets, smoke signals, and other attention getting devices that burn, sputter, smoke or explode.

    The Coast Guard requires most recreational boats 16 feet and larger to carry equipment to signal for assistance an approves two types. Non-pyrotechnic devices are straightforward and include a three-foot-square orange signal flag for day use and for night, an electric light that flashes the international SOS signal 50 to 70 times per minute. (Dye markers and signal mirrors, though useful to attract attention and often carried by boaters, are not Coast-Guard-approved).

    From the stern of a boat, an orange smoke is tested in day light near the Chesapeake Bay Bridge

    In the pyrotechnic category, the regulations are broad and how you fill the requirement for your particular type of boating is fairly flexible. The choices include a variety of red hand-held or aerial flares for day and/or night use, and devices that emit orange smoke for daytime use.

    The Coast Guard sets a 42-month service life and expiration dates are stamped on the devices. The International Maritime Organization approves signals for commercial use on the high seas with a SOLAS (Safety of Life At Sea) rating. These devices far exceed Coast Guard standards for luminosity and many boaters use the more expensive SOLAS devices or the added margin of safety they provide.

    If you opt for pyrotechnics, you must carry three devices approved for day and/or night use but beyond that, you have to mix and match what you wish to carry. By far, pyrotechnics are the popular choice and the majority of boaters opt to meet minimum Coast Guard requirements with hand-held flares or gun-launched meteors that are approved for day/night use.

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