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Posts posted by Navybone

  1. What makes Scouts a successful program is having standards and holding the adult leaders and the scouts to them.  If the standards are dropped, then what the ranks mean drops.   This is the same reason that SMs or MB counselors are not to pick and choose the requirements they want to teach.  Either it means something, or it does not.

    Some of these changes are OK and make some sense, but some are just ludicrous. 

  2. 6 hours ago, carebear3895 said:

    The BSA will be a shell of itself after this over and done. What's the number #1 killer of units? Not meeting or no activities. Well, that' what is happening across the nation right now. I'm willing to bet that 1/4 of all Cub Scouts Packs will never meet again post-corona. 



    If units do not adapt and remain connected to their scouts, then yes, this will happen.  Sure, scouting is about being outside.  But it does not stop because cannot get outside.  This to shall pass and the scouts will be able to go back to camping and backpacking.  When -  who knows.  But we will.  And I am willing to bet that the units that are able to adapt and remain connected with their scouts at this time will see the scouts return.  At a minimum, virtual meetings provide an opportunity for some scouts (and their parents) to do and learn something.  A great way to weather this storm is to help provide structure for the scouts -  and advancement and merit badges are great ways to help parents who need help. 

    Its not perfect, but if BSA does not learn to work through and thrive in this current crisis, then it will die.  And it is not national or the councils that will make this happen.  It will be the local pack or troop leadership who take their one hours a week (ha) and think creative.  It will be the "front line" leaderships who share resources, tips, and best practices, that make this occur.  What National needs to be doing is removing barriers and pushing capability down to the local level.  Not charging $5 for whatever fees for council led virtual merit badge sessions, but virtual sessions where they SEE their friends in the troop/pack.



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  3. We have been using Zoom - with the a fore mentioned limitations.  MS teams also works, but not everyone has it.  Our schools provide middle and high students with Chrome Books and come with google hangout/meet.  So may use use.  We are just starting and prefer Zoom in that you can share your screen as well as have an ongoing chat at the same time.  40 minutes also makes us be efficient. 

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  4. 19 minutes ago, qwazse said:

    IMHO, we are thinking about this wrongly.

    The goal should not be doing only the MBs that you can complete during confinement. Rather, the goal should be learning what you and your team-mates are doing, and coming along side them to make their effort truly epic. This may mean you start a badge and hit a road block. No worries, that's what partials are for. Then you conference with your patrol, and line up a weekend or two to do the "do" requirements that imply some necessary social proximity.


    Totally concur - it is OK to have partials.  Because when the social distancing ends, and it will, the scouts will be able to get out and complete the requirements they need to accomplish physically or in person.  Get the mundane or "talking"portions of advancement or merit badges done now.  We all have the time.  Lets absolutely not do that when we can all meet physically and get out and hike/camp/climb/swim/etc.  Well, maybe a short safety refresher.....

    Perfect time to work on parts of CitNation, CitWorld.  Not to develop ways around them, but work on the parts of MB, like family life,  that can be accomplished now, and the rest will be done in due time. 


  5. looking to do the same in my area -  finish up some Merit Badges that can be accomplished over a virtual environment, and then look at those that can be partially accomplished virtually.  I a thinking small groups (3-5) to keep them engaged, not just listening.   I am looking at platforms like Zoom (others are MS Teams, Chrome Meeting maker, and others) where you can host multiple people at once, share your desktop to show illustrations, slides, etc.   Probably in the evening, as in our district, the kids still have school work they are working on at home. 

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  6. With schools closing and moving to on-line teaching, and groups gathering sizes being limited, how do we sustain interest in and maintain advancement, where we can, in scouting?  Virtual troop or patrol meetings on platforms like Zoom, trail to first class discussion in a chat room?  Emphasize some merit badges (reading) over others?  Interested in thoughts from the community.    

  7. 9 hours ago, Pale Horse said:

    NO.  BSA rules do not require a parent or guardian unless the Scout is a Tiger or Lion.  Refer to Guide to Safe Scouting which @T2Eagle quoted above.  Councils are able to set their own requirements at Council Events, but that is not a BSA rule and cannot be enforced at non-council events.


    I am not sure you are reading it right or maybe in totality.  It does not specifically say parents are not required for wolf and bear.  It also says “ 

    • Den leaders, pack leaders, and parents are expected to accompany the youth on approved trips.


  8. 24 minutes ago, David CO said:

    Yes.  This is because Scouts BSA is now openly and actively working counter to the goals and mission of my religion.  The message our scouts are receiving is very clearly articulated.  There is no hidden agenda.  Our boys should put their religion first.  


    Any response and continuation of this line of thinking would probably be more applicable in a different thread.  

  9. 12 hours ago, David CO said:

    Really?  I can think of several.

    A MBC might not agree with the decision to include girls in scouting.  While he can't change the decision, he doesn't have to cooperate with it, and he doesn't have to donate his valuable time and skills to assist it.  Passive resistance.

    YP protects the youth.  It doesn't protect the MBC.  

    The Chartered Organization might not want him to be working with girls.  


    Interesting argument - you are essentially saying that it is OK for a CO or a MBC to openly and actively work counter to the efforts, the goals, and the mission of Scout BSA.  Wonder why there may be issues is Scouts BSA.  I cannot help but look at this and think about the message that the scouts in troops like this are receiving and learning.  And then to look at the purpose behind scouting and what it hopes to instill in youth. 


  10. 4 hours ago, rayezell_2000 said:


    Here's what the locals said of naming the council in 1927...https://www.scouter.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=1000


    Interesting article, thanks for posting it.  Made me wonder when there was a push to bring African Americans into scouting - seems about this time.  Interesting times indeed - maybe part of the motivation?   



  11. 6 hours ago, dkurtenbach said:

    What you are saying is that anything that encourages the Scout to develop a lifelong interest in learning belongs in Scouting, and we should support it with our Scouting resources.

    seriously, Within reason. If a scout has his eight elective badges, and wants to earn another one, and there is a willing MB counselor, why not.  What is the scarce resource being expended?   if the scout wants to go to sea base and has already been, well common sense is to give another scout the opportunity.  But that is not they same as saying that the scout has meet the minimum, so no more.  And that is exactly how I read the intent of your comments.   

    imthink we should encourage the scouts to learn and explore as much as possible.  The idea of using a MB to expose scouts to a new ability or possible career is so very powerful and gives scouts an edge that other, non-scouts, do not have.  

  12. 11 hours ago, dkurtenbach said:

    Note to @Navybone:  I'm not advocating that Scouts shoot for the minimum number of merit badges; I'm suggesting that more than the minimum number has little added value to the individual Scout and no value to his or her troop or to Scouting generally, or to the community

    I could not disagree more.   Scouting should encourage the scout to develop a lifelong interest in learning.  That is exponentially valuable to the scout and the community.   And will continue to be of value for the lifetime of that scout.  So long as scouts are learning, and it is about learning, not just getting a patch.  There is goodness in all of this.

    i guess if you look at it from a cost perspective, then why encourage scouts to do more.  Although what is the cost?  A buck to two for the badge and blue card?  Continued involvement in scouts?  No, cannot see your point on this at all.  

  13. 6 hours ago, dkurtenbach said:

    The important number is eight:  Why isn't earning more than eight elective merit badges considered a waste of time and money?

    Eight elective merit badges is the minimum - are your espousing that scouts should learn that the minimum in life is what they shoot for.  Regardless of if there is more they are interested. The purpose for merit badges is not to simply meet the minimum, but to explore subjects to determine if they would like to further pursue them as a career.  Or am misreading your post?  

  14. I think people will read into what they want on the issue, depending on what they see as value in scouting.

    There is probably as much on family camping, mainly focused on Cub Scouts aged kids, as not family focused.   Since there are age restrictions on who can go to Philmont, maybe encouraging the younger scouts to go with families is a good thing.  As in not to discourage them when all the older scouts in troop go (as is the impact In my son troop).  And if it not hard to find core scouting articles - there are two articles on snow related adventures   

    In reading the posts and the magazine, this newish ASM has to wonder if The family life merit badge is a waste of time and counter to the aims and goals of scouts.  Since it is family and not outdoor or individual accomplishment focused? Because looking at the requirements and the intent of the badge, I don’t see it.   




  15. On 12/12/2019 at 4:20 AM, walk in the woods said:

    If we kick every leader out for a momentary lapse in judgement there won't be any leaders.

    Depends what the lapse is.  There is a ton of vagueness in your comment.   And I have concerns, with this individuals background that this could be either more than just a lapse, but a bell ringer that he should have nothing to do with youth or the female sex.   His actions are both an indicator of what his sense of right/wrong is as well as what he things is ok behavior.   And it is not behavior that should be anywhere scouts- Male or female scouts. 

  16. 56 minutes ago, JoeBob said:

    Eh...  The War of Northern Aggression  was not started over slavery...The South doesn't have a damn thing to apologize for. 

    Honestly did not read anything after the first line and glad I did not after the last line.  At the end of the day, the US civil war was a war about slavery.  And where does that apply to scouting?  It does not.  

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