Interesting observation - rank advancement in Open Discussion - Program Posted May 14, 2019 3 hours ago, malraux said: Woggles in general are fine, but the stiff 2 strand, 4 lobed leather woggle (item 2173) is restricted to wood badge participants only to be worn with the wb necker. It’s distinctive in appearance and a violation of the insignia guide. So that is a 3-lead 4-bight turk's head in leather (with each strand doubled). https://www.scoutshop.org/wood-badge-woggle-neckerchief-slide-2173.html But would a different turk's head knot (say 4-lead 5-bight ) be okay for scouts? in leather? in paracord? only if it is a color that looks very different from brown leather?