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  1. Treflienne

    2018 Membership numbers are in

    Your descriptions describe some of the GSUSA problems also. Not just currently, but running a generation back also. Actually, an old friend from my high school girl scout troop, whose daughter did venturing, told me that, in contrast to the Boy Scout program, "Venturing . . . culture-wise, feels much more like scouting as we knew it in [Town Name]"
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    How to describe ourselves in writing

    As @qwazse suggested, I'd definitely try to get in the full organization name "Boy Scouts of America" since the general public recognizes "Boy Scouts" but does not yet recognize "Scouts BSA", and since the program name changed from "Boy Scouts" to "Scouts BSA".
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    How to describe ourselves in writing

    See this infographic: https://scoutingwire.org/this-infographic-shows-the-right-way-to-refer-to-girls-who-will-join-scouts-bsa/ A couple of the main points are never put the word "girl" directly in front of the word "scout" and make sure that people cannot confuse your girls BSA troop with a GSUSA troop. Also, for our town's recruiting night, we were careful about the wording so as not to imply that we are the only scouting organization in town. (Since GSUSA is still around.) As far as I know, there is no problem with continuing to put the word "boy" directly in front of the word "Scout" or "scout" -- though some people might be nit-picky about capitalization. We are using just our 2-digit troop number for the girls' troop (which differs from the number of the boys troop). We are not sticking a G on the end. We are also ignoring as much as possible the annoying digit in the thousands place that our council is assigning to all girls troops in our council. (Have not yet gotten the beascout alternate unit description working, council says that national is working on that.)
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    Most and Least Popular Merit Badges

    I am about to take my new scouts on their first cabin overnight. In order to have a campfire, they are going to have to shovel out about a foot of snow that is covering the fire circle.
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    Most and Least Popular Merit Badges

    @mrkstvns, he was referring to the fires of 2018.
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    Privacy of Health Forms

    I've been to a GSUSA event where the adults were required to bring their medical forms, but in a sealed envelope. The envelope was handed over to the event organizers and then handed back at the end of the weekend. The organizers were trusting us that we actually had a medical form in that envelope -- which was only to be open if the need arose. (Most of the attendees were GSUSA troop leaders who were quite familiar with the GSUSA medical forms.)
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    CBS Saturday Morning

    Tactfully put. But when options of all kinds are open to a GSUSA troop, and the majority decision rules, if the majority decision does not want to do archery (or some other outdoor activity) then that activity will not happen for that troop. And, importantly, the majority of the troop will be quite happy about that. One thing I have seen with the BSA program is that it is attracting the girls who want to camp, and helping them find each other. (And the girls who don't want to camp can look at the rank advancement requirements and decide that other youth-program options more suited to them.) I really think that there is space for both the GSUSA and the BSA programs to exist side by side, with similar goals of developing character, citizenship, and leadership in youth, but appealing to and thus serving different groups of girls.
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    CBS Saturday Morning

    For GSUSA whether shooting sports are allowed varies by council The Girl Scouts of Central and Western Massachusetts permits it: http://www.gscwm.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gscwm/documents/2018/Volunteer Essentials 2018-2019.pdf The Girl Scouts of Eastern Massachusetts does not permit it: https://www.gsema.org/content/dam/girlscouts-girlscoutseasternmass/documents/volunteer-essentials.pdf
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    Help. Little advancement.

    How densly populated is your area? Are some of these other boy troops reasonably close by, even if in another town? If so, the opportunity for boys in your town to participate in scouting does not go away, even if the troop chartered in your town folds. So you do not need to feel you are letting scouting for boys down if you focus on the cub pack and/or girl troop and encourage the boys to join stronger existing troops. Actually, cooperation with those troops might help you with the girls troop. For us, even though our girls troop is linked with one of the local boys troops, the other local boys troops (to which we are not linked) are referring girls our direction, offering to loan us equipment if needed, and willing to give advice if asked.
  10. There is still snow on the ground here, and for our first overnight outing with new scouts we will be going to a local boy scout camp and staying in small cabins there. Cooking will be done outdoors over campfires. The scouts will plan and cook their meals. However, since they will not be sleeping in tents that they pitched themselves, this is not actually a campout. Since this is not a campout, then the meal planning and preparation and cleanup do not count for rank advancement. Is this interpretation correct?
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    Give credit where credit is due. Baden-Powell talked his sister into setting up a parallel organization for girls. Then for decades Baden-Powell's wife worked with said organization.
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    Advice on Dealing with Committee Chair's Unruly Bear

    Better yet, get the offending scout to quote it to you, and stop him at a relevant point which you then discuss with them. (I use to do this with Brownie and Junior girl scouts.) Worked well for many scouts. Did not work so well for the Brownie who really did not want to be a Brownie and would have preferred do be doing almost anything else.
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    Advice on Dealing with Committee Chair's Unruly Bear

    What would you do if you saw this behavior in a Bear whose parent was not present? Who would address the behavior? The den leader? Perhaps the mom is wanting to wear her CC hat and not her mom hat in this situation. It was a different organization, but with Brownie girl scouts we moms/leaders learned to differentiate between wearing the Mom hat and wearing the Troop Leader hat. And at Brownie events a different leader (not the problem Brownie's mom) would deal with any typical kid behavior issues. Are you the den leader? Maybe the mom is hoping you will say something to the Bear, and wondering why you are not doing so? Perhaps you could discuss with the mom which one of you will address the behavior?
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    ladies quick-dry uniform-color pants?

    The new scouts BSA uniform pants for ladies have a fine fit -- but they are cotton blend. Suitable for indoor use. The older style polyester microfiber pants are a very poor fit (on me at least). So, for heading out into the outdoors, I might be looking for a pair of BSA-olive-green quick-dry ladies-cut pants. Any suggestions? And don't suggest 5.11 -- they don't have quick-dry ladies-fit pants in olive green.
  15. We are digressing. The scouts will pick their own menus. Back to my main question. Opinionated opinions please:
  16. In my experience, pancakes are a terrible choice for beginner campfire cooking. Too hard to keep the heat really uniform. Too many memories (as a high school girl scout) of being offered scrambled burnt pancakes by brownies I was accompanying.
  17. Cabins have no kitchen, no plumbing, no sink. Water needs to be hauled from a spigot at a different location in the camp. All cooking has to be done outdoors on a campfire or camp stove. (Troop wants to do it on campfire.)
  18. To be clear, I am not asking if the trip counts as camping for the purposes of TF 1a/1b -- it does not. I am not asking if the trip counts as camping for the purposes camping for SC 1a -- it does not. My question is about specifically about the meal planning, cooking, and cleanup and TF 2a/b and SC 2e. I listed the other requirments, because they seem to define what a campout is for the purposes of rank advancment.
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    Methods in Scouting

    I would venture that for different kids, the methods differ in importance. Adult association? For the outgoing kid who is already comfortable going up to unfamiliar adults and talking with them -- this method is not so important. For the timid kid, the chance to interact with friendly encouraging adults is invaluable -- to prepare them for when they need to talk to the department head at the high school, or the college interviewer, or . . . The uniform? For some kids, it is no big deal. For the kid (and this may especially important for some girls) who is extremely self-conscious about clothing and worried about not fitting in, having a uniform gives the confidence that she is indeed wearing the right thing and does not need to worry about clothes.
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    Snow Days?

    Around here, the school district calendar lists the last-day-of-school-assuming-five-snow-days. Parents are told by the schools not to make any summer vacation plans that start before that date. If we have more than five snow days, many families pull their kids out and school and go off on scheduled vacations, or sent their kids to scheduled camps. Attendence is low and not much work is done on any make-up days beyond the anticipated five.
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    "Pencil Whipping" Requirements

    Any good advice on how to do so?
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    "Pencil Whipping" Requirements

    @Ranman328, it looks like you were right to be concerned about this new unit. If a kid has a requirement signed off, knowing that he has not actually completed it -- or if a kid has a requirement signed off by an adult who tells him he did it, but the kid later looks up what is required and realizes he has not actually done what was required -- this is discouraging and demoralizing. It also casts doubt on whether others who have that badge/award have actually done the work. I have seen this problem far too often in a different youth organization. The question is how to instill in the scouts a sense of pride in accomplishment, of pride in mastery of skills, so that they will refuse to have something signed off until they have truly mastered the skill or otherwise completed the requirement. So that they will Be Prepared and will have skills they can use when they Do a Good Turn Daily. My daughter has quoted me a snippet from a mid-twentieth century fiction book about Girl Guides, in which advice is being given to Guides who are wanting to just squeak by their requirements: "All the same, it's poor satisfaction to go round labeled as a First Class Scout, and then, when an emergency comes along, find yourself shown up as a Tenderfoot. We might know inside the Movement that a First Class Scout was just a Second Class chap who'd scraped through a dozen extra tests by the skin of his teeth, but outside people couldn't be expected to confine their expectations to the Book of Rules, could they? If you wear a First Class badge they'll expect to find the First Class sort of Guide inside your uniform every time. They'll look to you to take the lead when things go wrong, and if you aren't expert at the sort of things they connect with us Scouts and Guides -- woodcraft and First Aid and all the rest of it -- you'll see them raise their eyebrows and smile a bit, that's all." quoted from Cherries in Search of a Captain, by Catherine Christian.
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    I Was Against Girls in Scouts.... But

    And the advantange of an all-girl troop using the BSA materials, (instead of materials from "another national scouting organization"), is that since BSA has camping and outdoor skills built into the rank advancement progression, such a troop will attract girls who want to go outdoors and camp, enabling those girls to find each other. It avoids the all-too-common problem of
  24. How about adding a forum (or a subforum under Open Discussion - Program) with a name something like: "Starting a new Scouts BSA girls' troop - practical how-to's" This would be a place to how to best get the girls' troops started, and how to have the best possible experience for the girls AND for the boys in the troops to which they are linked, not a place to rehash whether they should be started.
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    poly/rayon/wool shirt?

    I went to the local scout shop and was rather disappointed at the shirt choices. The new Scouts BSA shirts were not in, and anyway appear (online) only to come in cotton-blend. The polyester microfiber was very soft and drapey and felt (and looked) rather pajama-like. I tend to like nylon hiking shirts, but BSA doesn't seem to make nylon shirts any more. (Maybe I'll find one on ebay some day.) But what about the poly/rayon/wool? (65% polyester, 25% rayon and 10% wool ) For those of you who have it, do you like the shirt? Is this a practical blend for the outdoors? (I know wool is often good, alone, and polyester is generally fine, but I am unfamiliar with the rayon). Is it quick drying? How hot or cool of a shirt is this? Has it stood up well to machine-washing without much coddling? https://www.scoutshop.org/boy-scout-mens-long-sleeve-polyester-wool-shirt-609191.html