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    A scout learns...

    1. The Scout Learns 2. The Scout is Tested For all of you out there, how do you clearly make a distinction between those two steps? How do you set scout (and adult) expections that the scout will not be signed off on a skill the first time he does it?
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    Scout Law

    Well, the first of Baden -Powell's scout laws is "A SCOUT'S HONOUR IS TO BE TRUSTED" and part of the explanation for that was "If a scout were to break his honour by telling a lie, or by not carrying out an order exactly when trusted on his honour to do so, he would cease to be a scout, and must hand over his scout badge and never be allowed to wear it again." See the wikipedia article cited about for the full 1908 scout law.
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    Scout Law

    Baden Powell's 1908 scout law (from Scouting for Boys) is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_law
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    I would argue that the younger teen and pre-teen girls don't really understand how people react to what they are wearing -- they are just wanting to look "in", and probably care a lot more about what their female friends think that about what boys think. What I don't understand is the parents who don't advise/enforce appropriate clothing for their girls. These kids are not driving themselves to the store to buy their clothing with money they earned themselves.
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Actually, they had tried modernizing, repeatedly, especially starting in the early 1970's and continuing into the 1980's. Those uniforms were terrible. I really did not appreciate being mistaken for a flight attendant when in uniform.
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    But what scale is appropriate at what age? I still like the old version of the Brownie Promise "I promise to do my best to love God and my country, to help other people every day, especialy those at home." This was for up to age 9, and helping at home was something that girls could really do. In the newer program, the Junior Journey "Agent of Change" (for girls starting at age 9) is encouraging civic action. An example that is held up as a model is persuading other people to volunteer at an animal shelter. I'd rather the younger scouts get in the habit of actualy helping people, not just badgering other people to help.
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    Scout Law

    Nine. The first nine points of the BSA law summarizes these nine (at least if you think that "Kind" summarized "A Friend to Animals".
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Another questions is do we in scouting (whichever branch) want to promote "civic action" or "servant leadership"? Which focus do we think is more appropriate for training middle school kids?
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    This piece of Girl Scout advice has been around for a while, and it lowered my opinion of GSUSA. I feel that it is very important for kids to realize that even well-meaning adults are occasionally mistaken, and a kid needs to be able to (hopefully politely) correct a teacher in certain circumstances. (One circumstance that comes to mind is the kid with food allergies -- he knows what he can safely eat much better that the teacher does. ) But school dress codes are a terrible example. I am happy that our local high-school has at least a few rules (no spaghetti straps) that discourage the over-sexualizing of teenage girls. GSUSA suggesting that girls should lobby for the right to dress inappropriately seems really wrong-headed to me.
  10. As I am familiarizing myself with the rank advancment materials, one thing that has impressed me is that every rank along the way to Eagle is worthwhile for its own sake. So if an idealistic new scout says "I want to earn eagle" but ends up not doing so, then she still benefitted from as much of the journey as she did. Work on improving your physical fitness? Great. Learn to swim? Super. Try taking on a leadership role in the troop? Valuable experience. It seems to me that we should help each scout grow starting from where they are at -- but certainly not expect that all will have the desire, or the ability, to reach Eagle. Big difference from GSUSA where the "Journeys" are a prerequisite to working on the Bronze/Silver/Gold Award, and where the attitude towards the "Journeys" is sometimes hold-your-nose-and-get-it-over-with-it -- i.e. some do not see much value in those Journeys for their own sakes.
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    When was 4th Aim added?

    As a new scouter, I found the Aims and Methods helpful as a summary of the current focus of BSA. Yes @qwazse the 3 aims are mostly a restatment of what is in the oath. But (as an outsider) I wanted to know whether the oath was regarded as just a historical relic or whether it was really still emphasized. And really, the aims of citizenship and character development (and even fitness) go back to the beginning, to Baden-Powell. Scouting for Boys, p 337 "Peace Scouting is suggested as an attractive means towards developing character and good citizenship" Aids to Scoutmastership, p21 "The Aim of Scout training is to improve the standard of our future citizenhood, expecially in Character and Health; to replace Self with Service, to make the lads individually efficient, orally and physically, with the object of using that efficiency for service for their fellow-men" And as far as enumerating the methods, it can be a helpful reminder that, for example, the Outdoors is a method not an aim. We are not primarily motivated by producing excellent outdoorsmen, but rather using the outdoors to produce excellent citizens. I did find it a bit jarring when I learned that "Leadership" had also been promoted to an aim.
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    Scouts BSA implementation for girl troops

    Is there any better way? Alternatives I have seen are: storing everying in a trailer parked at a different location than your meeting place, and storing everything in someone's garage. Both seem worse.
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    Scouts BSA implementation for girl troops

    I agree about patrols having their own gear and being responsible for it. But why not put a wolf on it? or a cobra?
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    Scouts BSA implementation for girl troops

    Not necessarily. None of our girls had brothers already in our linked troop. (Several had brothers in several other troops, one of these brothers has since switched to our linked troop.) I forsee more boy-girl sibling pairs in the two troops in the future, as more kids come up from cubs.
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    Great Examples of Girl Troop Successes

    Assuming that these experienced parents will continue volunteering, it sounds like mostly what you need is more girls -- who will likely come with inexperienced but willing to help out parents. Anecdotes are just that -- but in our troop we have no Venturers, no highschoolers, and no crossovers from cub scouts. Only 6th-8th graders. (Our area did not have early-adopter cub packs.) And yes, about half the girls in the troop are there because they were invited by a friend who was already planning to join the troop. If you want to be sure that the new local girls' troop is conveniently at your CO (and not in the next town) you might not want to wait a year and a half. Do any of the Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts have sisters (age 11 and up) interested in scouts? Has anyone asked? (All the troops/packs in our school district did this for us, and yes it turned up girls.) And if the interested 11-14-year old girls only have dads willing to camp, and not moms willing to camp, you could consider double-registering with the new girls troop, and occasionally camping with them.
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    Great Examples of Girl Troop Successes

    Does that mean they'll be crossing over to scouts in two years time? Hopefully by then there will already be a troop going that they can join. Consider critical mass. Are there other girls troops starting in your town or school district? It might make sense to join with them instead of getting another new troop going. (Or maybe there will be enough interested girls for another new troop.) About this "stated commitment to start a linked female troop". What is backing this statement? General goodwill? A willingness on the part of the troop committee to help with the administration of the new troop? Experienced scouters with daughters who want to be scouts? A daughter who really wants to be a scout can be *very* motivating to an adult to put the time into volunteering.
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    Scouts BSA implementation for girl troops

    We were caught by surprise by the requirement that all the committee members submit a new adult application to be on the committee for the "linked" troop. As things now stand, some committee members are registered as committee members for both troops, some just for the girls, and some just for the boys. (Why? because of the paperwork hassle.) The committee (committees?) does (do?) meet as a single entitiy with a single meeting each month. I suppose if it ever came down to a vote on a contentious issue it might matter who was registered for which troop. I agree. Maybe the BSA can improve their application process in the future.
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    When was 4th Aim added?

    Also the online training at my.scouting.org was still listing only three aims of scouting as of spring 2018 when I took the training.
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    When was 4th Aim added?

    The 2017 printing of the Troop Leader Guidebook (which BSA was still selling in 2018) lists only the three aims, not including leadership.
  20. The Girls' Guides and Journeys books are available to anyone willing to shell out enough money at a girl scout shop. (Or at your local library). But worse are some of the plans for, for example, how to do the Junior Camper Badge in two meetings without ever going camping. See Junior Planning Guide | Girl Scouts River Valleys Volunteers and in particular the documents it links to such as Camper Activity Plan 1 and Camper Activity Plan 2 Admittedly this is from a council website, not from national, but since I am not currently a junior girl scout leader I cannot see what national has in the volunteer toolkit for the Camper Activity Plan 1 and the Camper Activity Plan 2. It might be truly embarassing to GSUSA to see these compared side by side with BSA materials. I found it frustrating when local G.S. leaders cut corners on badge requirements. I found it even more frustrating when our local council set a bad example by doing similarly at council sponsored events. But when I realized that national was encouraging this behavior, I lamented the direction that GSUSA was going. Then came the news (Oct 2017) that BSA would soon be admitting girls into Boy Scouting. Yup. My daughter, back in October 2017, picked up a recent Boy Scout handbook, and began comparing it with the current Cadette materials (and with old Girl Scout books from the 1920's) and told me that this (Boy Scouts) was what she wanted to do. I have certainly recommended to people wondering about the differences between the two organizations that they compare the published program materials.
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    When To Elect SPL in Brand New Units?

    We have a one-patrol troop. PL and APL but no SPL or APSL. Initial terms of office were for three months. Next elections in May. The scouts did dole out most of the standard positions of responsibility. Some of the scouts are growing into their roles. (The instructor is enthusiastically studying the scouts BSA handbook so she can teach the others.) Some of the roles we probably should not have had. (The librarian has nothing to do yet because the troop owns no books -- but since no one is first class yet, no one is getting advancment credit for a bogus job.) The scouts may want to organize things a bit differently next time. (For example, split the quartermaster job into two, since it is large.) For a one-patrol troop, should we have both a PL and an SPL for summer camp? Or can the PL fill in for the non-existent SPL when the summer camp has a task for the troop SPL?
  22. Non-disclosure of what? the contents of the volunteer toolkit? In my service unit, there seems to be continuous attrition from about 3rd to 6th grades. Some troops hold together long enough for the girls to transition into the "older girl" troop (A local 6th-12th grade troop) but others troops just fold leaving their girls without a troop. It will be interesting to see how many of these girls will try Scouts BSA. I haven't been to any service unit meetings (as a parent) since Scouts BSA started in February, since I've been too busy with Scouts BSA, but prior to that I did not see hostility. I did see people in Girl Scout circles who thought cubs/scoutsBSA would not be interesting to girls - and this was from families that had children in both programs. I actually could imagine a family choosing Brownies followed by Scouts BSA. (If you ignore the journeys, stick close to Girl Scout traditions, and actually take the Brownies camping, the program works. And you can take them camping without their parents And, as "girl led" the girls get the fun of actually choosing what they are going to do.) I cannot imagine choosing to do cubs followed by Cadettes/Seniors/Ambassadors.
  23. The link was specific to the person taking the survey -- so yes the respondant can be identified. If I remember right, they said that your answers would not be shared with your daughter's troop leader. It will be interesting to see if my family gets any further surveys, or marketing targetted to the dual registered group. Another survey question, if I remember correctly, was whether the survey respondant's daughter was planning to re-register with GSUSA for the coming year. (It is currently early-bird reregistration season). Since the GSUSA registration year starts in October, any girl who decided to switch to Scouts BSA in February will still be a member of GSUSA through next September. A big question for GSUSA is whether these girls will continue dual registering or whether they will stick with only one organization next year.
  24. Moderaters, please move my post if you think it is in the wrong forum but . . . GSUSA is now, perhaps inadvertantly, advertising Cub Scouts and Scouts BSA to at least some of its member families. I was, as a GSUSA parent, sent a link to a survey for parents asking a lot of questions about my family's opinions of and experience with GSUSA. One of the questions was "Which other activities or organizations will your girl be busy with? (Select all that apply.) . . . Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts (Scouts BSA). . ." So if I had not been aware that Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts were admitting girls, I would be now.
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    Great Examples of Girl Troop Successes

    I can see three possible styles of camping that need three different types of equipment 1) backpacking. lightweight backpacking stoves. 2) front country camping where you want lots of time for other activities, and so want to cook quickly, using a propane stove, which is boringly similar to cooking in the kitchen at home. 3) front country camping somewhere you can build a campfire for cooking, on a trip when you have time to build a campfire for cooking. And then you need to keep this stuff organized. For #2 or #3, any do you have any recommendations between a) classic wooden patrol box that neatly organizes stuff and opens up into a work surface but weighs a ton (when empty) b) some kind of plastic rolling tool box So far we have been using equipment borrowed from troop families and a local boys' troop, and dumped into plastic tote bins, and returned to their respective homes after each trip. We'd like to be a little better organized. Also have it better set up so that our (very young) quartermaster can better manage the gear with less adult help -- a patrol box would seem managable for a 6th grade quartermaster to keep in order. Recommendations?
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