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    Unapologetically Exploiting GSUSA's Achilles' Heels

    We will want the report: will they join en masse? What we have seen around here in GSUSA is a huge attrition somewhere around 4th/5th/6th grade. The majority of the kids quit scouting, and only a small fraction fold into the local "older girl" troop for grades 6-12, after the troop they have been with since kindergarten disbands. I don't know how much is because the current Cadette/Senior/Ambassador program is unappealing, and how much is that the girls become interested in other activities. So if you get even 4 or 5 of this troop joining Scouts BSA, that is a good yield. Make sure they know they have the option of staying together as a patrol within your Scouts BSA troop. (The friend-group issue can be very important).
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    Unapologetically Exploiting GSUSA's Achilles' Heels

    Not the rules I've seen! Is it council specific? We took 2nd graders (platform)-tent camping. And we did not require the mothers of the girls to come along. My daisy co-leader did not want to camp, so our daisies did not camp. But I know of some who did backyard tent overnights for the daisies.
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    Unapologetically Exploiting GSUSA's Achilles' Heels

    A long generation back, troops (at least the ones I saw) did have institutional knowledge. While Brownie troops were only two grades (2nd-3rd), the older troops were three grades (Juniors 4th-6th, Cadettes 7th-9th, Seniors 10th-12th). When the daughter of a troop leader-mom moved up a level, her mom moved up a level also, typically becoming an assistant troop leader at the next level for a couple of years, before moving into the troop leader role her daughter's third year in the troop. This meant that troops were large, maybe 30+ girls, even at the Brownie stage. And there was not a troop committee supporting the troop, so the troop leaders had a lot of work divided between a few women doing the work. What has done in the model? Two things: 1) Women entered payed employment, and did not have the time for a very time-consuming volunteer job. Hence the tiny single-grade troops meeting infrequents, which we have now. 2) Kids are no longer expected to learn how to behave well in large groups. (The public schools no longer train them to do so.) So having 30 second, third, or fourth graders in a group, supervising by two or three moms, no longer works very well.
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    Unapologetically Exploiting GSUSA's Achilles' Heels

    I also have thought that the Junior-Girl-Scout to Scouts-BSA is a great logical procession. GSUSA's Brownie and Junior program, at least if run in a traditionalist sort of way, has one very appealing advantage over cub scouts: the emphasis on "girl led" in an elementary-school sort of way, where the girls are encouraged to begin making decisions and carrying them out. I could certainly see families wanting to do Brownies and Juniors, and then planning to cross over into Scouts BSA at the end of 5th grade. (It's almost what my daughter did, but she had to wait a little for Scouts BSA for girls to launch.) P.S. Last weekend, while out camping with a Scouts BSA girls troop, we had opportunity to watch cub scout pack camping in action. (The main path at the camp went right by their site). It was eye opening. The boys were all playing in the woods while the dads were breaking camp. Quite a contrast to what Brownie/Junior camping used to be -- a GS trainer explained it this way "I'm going to teach you how to camp with 20 little girls and have them do all the work."
  5. This is no longer recognizably the girl scout program in which I grew up. Scouts BSA is a great program, but there are things I will miss. The trefoil with the eagle, the scout handshake, Thinking Day, the Brownie Story, "twist me and turn me and show me the elf", flying-up, "three good turns", "a sister to every girl scout", and the songs, . . . .
  6. . . . and come September, we will remember our camping days and friendships true . . . . . . and as the years go by, I'll think of you and sigh . . . . . . we've made a promise to always keep, and we'll pray "softly falls" before we sleep. We'll be girl scouts together and when we're gone . . .
  7. I don't see it on page 26 of Volunteer Essentials. And this "Volunteer Action Guide" seems to be a new thing, separate from the Volunteer Essentials. Besides, that seems to be the Volunteer Essentials guide for Girl Scouts of West Central Florida. (Different councils have different versions of the Volunteer Essentials, and it is updated every year.)
  8. Actually @cocomax quotes from a council document, not a GSUSA document. I have seen very similar put out by other GS councils. But I have not located it on either the GSUSA web site, or on my local GS council's web site.
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    Tenting: 2 years apart

    I think that tent arrangments are an area where the differences between what girls collectively tend to like and what boys tend to like may show up. What I have seen (both when I was a kid, and also when I was a girl scout leader) is that girls would like their whole friend-group to be in one big tent. So, yes, pack six or seven girls into one of those big platform tents that the girl scout camps have -- and everyone is happy. Need to split a group of elementary-aged girls between two separate tents -- and all kinds of drama might break out. Fortunately, the Scouts BSA girls are a little more mature in their reactions than the younger ones.
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    Tenting: 2 years apart

    I find it inconsistent that there is no two-year-apart-max for cabins while there is for tents . . . no matter how small the cabin and no matter how large the tent. A cabin that sleeps 4 does not seem all that much different from 4 in a large tent. It would be nice if the acceptible age range were a little larger if there were multiple girls in the tent.
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    Tenting: 2 years apart

    I was thinking of the odd-man-out (odd-girl-out?) being in a tent by herself -- not necessarily a one-person-tent. Since the tents that available for us to borrow seem to be 2-person, 3-person, and 4+-person tents.
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    Tenting: 2 years apart

    The scouts can do the math, and figure out how far apart they are in age, and who they can tent with. It's not rocket science. An old non-boy-scout rule for girls is "safety-in-numbers". I'd much rather not have girls tenting by themselves.
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    GS Gold vs BS Eagle

    That document does not say that a girl must participate in the cookie sale to earn gold award. The requirment is that participation in both the cookie sale and the fall product sale is required in order to do any other money earning acitivities: This is encouraging the scouts to do the sales to "be prepared" "in the event that they need raise additional funds towards their Gold Award Project". It is not requiring them to do so.
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    GS Gold vs BS Eagle

    I've never heard that having been a Cadette was prereq for Gold. There is an alternative to have earned Silver -- doing an extra Journey instead. I've never heard that participation in Fall Product Sale and Cookie sale is a requirement. Where are you getting these from? Are they specific to your council?
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    Tenting: 2 years apart

    This does *not* keep it simple. Try explaining to Suzy and Sally why they are allowed to share a tent for half a year, and not allowed to share a tent for the other half of the year.
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    GS Gold vs BS Eagle

    To further clarify what PinkPajamas said: Girl Scouts does not (well, has not for a very very very long time) had ranks in the same sense that Boy Scouts does. Girl Scouts have "age levels" Daisy, Brownie, Junior, Cadette, Senior, Ambassador. What age level a girl is in depends only on her age/grade. They should not be thought of as "ranks". Moving from one to another is based solely on age/grade. So, for a fair comparison, you should compare the sum of Scout+Tenderfoot+ . . . +Life+Eagle requirments with the Gold Award Requirements. In my ignorance (am still learning about the path to Eagle, and have not looked in detail at Gold Award requirements for decades) it seems that for Gold Award, the project is the main thing, with a little warm-up in the way of two Journeys with their smaller projects. But for Eagle, the project is the finishing touch on a long path of skill building and service.
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    A scout learns...

    1. The Scout Learns 2. The Scout is Tested For all of you out there, how do you clearly make a distinction between those two steps? How do you set scout (and adult) expections that the scout will not be signed off on a skill the first time he does it?
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    Scout Law

    Well, the first of Baden -Powell's scout laws is "A SCOUT'S HONOUR IS TO BE TRUSTED" and part of the explanation for that was "If a scout were to break his honour by telling a lie, or by not carrying out an order exactly when trusted on his honour to do so, he would cease to be a scout, and must hand over his scout badge and never be allowed to wear it again." See the wikipedia article cited about for the full 1908 scout law.
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    Scout Law

    Baden Powell's 1908 scout law (from Scouting for Boys) is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_law
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    I would argue that the younger teen and pre-teen girls don't really understand how people react to what they are wearing -- they are just wanting to look "in", and probably care a lot more about what their female friends think that about what boys think. What I don't understand is the parents who don't advise/enforce appropriate clothing for their girls. These kids are not driving themselves to the store to buy their clothing with money they earned themselves.
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Actually, they had tried modernizing, repeatedly, especially starting in the early 1970's and continuing into the 1980's. Those uniforms were terrible. I really did not appreciate being mistaken for a flight attendant when in uniform.
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    But what scale is appropriate at what age? I still like the old version of the Brownie Promise "I promise to do my best to love God and my country, to help other people every day, especialy those at home." This was for up to age 9, and helping at home was something that girls could really do. In the newer program, the Junior Journey "Agent of Change" (for girls starting at age 9) is encouraging civic action. An example that is held up as a model is persuading other people to volunteer at an animal shelter. I'd rather the younger scouts get in the habit of actualy helping people, not just badgering other people to help.
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    Scout Law

    Nine. The first nine points of the BSA law summarizes these nine (at least if you think that "Kind" summarized "A Friend to Animals".
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Another questions is do we in scouting (whichever branch) want to promote "civic action" or "servant leadership"? Which focus do we think is more appropriate for training middle school kids?
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    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    This piece of Girl Scout advice has been around for a while, and it lowered my opinion of GSUSA. I feel that it is very important for kids to realize that even well-meaning adults are occasionally mistaken, and a kid needs to be able to (hopefully politely) correct a teacher in certain circumstances. (One circumstance that comes to mind is the kid with food allergies -- he knows what he can safely eat much better that the teacher does. ) But school dress codes are a terrible example. I am happy that our local high-school has at least a few rules (no spaghetti straps) that discourage the over-sexualizing of teenage girls. GSUSA suggesting that girls should lobby for the right to dress inappropriately seems really wrong-headed to me.
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