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Everything posted by Treflienne

  1. If we want to nit-pick about language -- are you sure you mean "girl scout troop"? Or do you mean "scout troop for girls"? Either way, I agree with you that
  2. Girl Scout troops are encouraged (by the council) not to carry money forward from year to year unless it is earmarked for a specific purpose.
  3. A good service unit, if you have one, is valuable. The service unit is simply the troop leaders and other registered adult volunteers in a given geographical area (such as a town or school district). If the older girls' troops have experienced energetic troop leaders they can do a lot to help the younger troops and newer leaders. But if the leaders of the older troops are fully busy with their own troops, they might not have time or energy for helping out the younger troops. Occasionally our service unit has organized a service-unit-wide encampment or Thinking Day observance --
  4. The GSUSA troop leader is responsible for finding a meeting space for her troop. It should be handicapped-accessible. It should preferably be in some kind of a public building (church, school, business, not a private home). And it should not cost anything to meet there. If you are lucky a sympathetic school or church will let you meet. Other troops end up meeting in the leaders homes (though this is discouraged) which of course serves to limit the troop size.
  5. I like your plan. I think it looks like a great plan. But . . . I'm concerned about the season of the year. Our new troop will be starting beginning of February. Late February and early March we still ususally have snow on the ground. I think that some of the prospective new scouts have little or no camping experience. I want the first weekend outing to be a positive experience for all. We will not have a lot of scouts to start with. I don't want to lose any after the first camping trip if the camping trip is something they are not yet ready for. ) Anybody have good suggest
  6. Winter? What climate? Did you take a bunch of new scouts winter camping within the first month or so of the troop restarting?
  7. How do you handle the case of boys that are not U.S. citizens? Hardly seems appropiate to compel them to pledge allegience to the U.S. (The scout oath in BSA is no problem since the wording is "my country". I found @Cambridgeskip's link interesting about the alternative Scout Promise in the UK for kids who are not British subjects are don't have a duty to the Queen)
  8. I'd love to have a thriving all girls troop. Several patrols. Scouts ranging from new cross-overs up to experience eagle scouts. Plenty of experience adults (SM/ASM/committee) able to provide the support the girls need to do what they want to do. But the reality is: We have no older experienced girls. (Girl eagle scouts don't even exist yet.) Of the three parents who have volunteered (without being pressed) to step up: None has been a SM, none has been an ASM, and none has been on a troop commitee. I went and did the online SM training and I went to IOLS. It's looking like I
  9. So it seems that at first the girls troop will be a single patrol. So it seems to me the girls troop, on its own, will initially need a PL and APL, but will be too small to need a SPL or PLC. (I admit to being influenced by this post: https://www.scouter.com/topic/27493-pl-spl-for-small-troop/?tab=comments#comment-422519 and other posts in that thread.) For the sake of communication between the girls and boys troops, and for planning on whether (or not) to do any joint activities or meetings, I could see the girl PL attending the boys PLC as an observer (rather than a voting member)
  10. Sounds like a great idea. I wonder if having an "expiration date" would make it easier to persuade an experienced former ASM/SM to help out directly with the girls troop, even without having a daughter in the troop. (I don't know of any parents of the girls who already have had ASM/SM experience.)
  11. If only it were so simple. For each of the several boys troops, one or two girls have a family connection with that troop. (And all the troops are in the same school district which has only one jr high school and only one high school, so there are the oppotunities for friendships to overlap between scouts and school with all the troops.)
  12. GSUSA seems to believe that it has improved its program (by making camping merely peripheral to the program) to meet the needs of the girls (the large number of girls that don't want to camp). After all, even in BSA, the outdoor program is only a method, not an aim. It seems that GSUSA thinks that other methods work better for most girls most of the time. It is great that the (probably minority) of girls who don't view GSUSA's improvements as improvement now have a second option of scouting organization.
  13. My daughter also had that situation in two of the GSUSA troops she was in over the years. I think so, at least for Daisies, Brownies, Juniors. In our area, very very few girls continue past Juniors (5th grade.) But that is not what is happening. None of the other girls from daughter's GSUSA troop are planning to join BSA. I think that at least half of the interested girls in our prospective girls troops were never in GSUSA. I think that only a few currently are in GSUSA. We have yet to see. Under BSA rules all but one of the adults can be men. And it being B
  14. That is the other important question. I would much appreciate any advice on what you think would work well and what would not work well. I've been talking with scoutmasters/committee-chairs of these troops (several different troops), asking each about what he thought the linkage would look like in practise if our newly forming girls troop were to link with his troop. I've gotten some ideas from each troop, but they don't yet have a fully formed idea of what they would like, just as I don't yet know what the girls troop would like. One consistent idea is that they think that the g
  15. One of the troops I think yes -- or at least the PLC is. The other troops -- I need to find that out. Thanks for the helpful reminder that I should verify that the boys (and not just the adults) are for it.
  16. Lots of dissusions currently on the practicalities of starting Linked/Girls Troops. Seems like time for its own forum or subforum. How about it @John-in-KC ?
  17. For a new girls troop it seems obviously better to link to a friendly local boys troop than to try to go it alone as an completely independent troop with a separate troop committee. Situation: Girls: Probably 6 or 7 girls. Young and inexperienced. Ages 6th-8th grades. Most scouting experience among the girls: one did everything her brothers cub scout pack did, one did some camping with girl scouts as a Brownie/Junior/Cadette. A good bit of enthusiasm. Adults: One (me) with GSUSA experience and absolutely no BSA experience. One (an eagle scout) with extensive experience i
  18. I have thought that this is how graces at scout camp (at least way back when girl scout camp sang grace) functioned. While singing the rather generic words, the scouts could direct their prayer to God the best way they understood, and that understanding would be different for the different scouts. In other words, to sing a grace was to make a time and space for scouts to pray with their own meaning in their own minds.
  19. Convenience of scheduling both sons and daughters is an issue for some local families. We are talking about the linked boys and girls troops meeting at the same time in different rooms of a local church. Easier on families' schedules. Easier to borrow ASMs back and forth. As the new girls troop gets started, might want to borrow some of the higher ranked boys as skills teachers on occasion. Some joint outings as well as separate outings. We are still trying to figure it all out. The current boy scouts (youth) opinion matters. As far as scouts with younger siblings. Same as
  20. They grow like weeds in my part of the country. If you try looking at google maps satellite view for a less built up area, all you can see are the trees.
  21. Years back, one of the graces that Girl Scouts used (back when they sang grace at camp) went Neath these tall green trees we stand, asking blessings from thy hand. Thanks we give to thee above, for thy gifts: health, strength, and love. This made an attempt to neatly sidestep the issue of the proper name/title for God. But it did make the assumptions that God could be addressed with the familiar "thee", that it was proper to ask blessings from God and to give thanks to God, and that God was the source of good gifts to people. I went to a camp training once, led by a 70-year-ol
  22. Who can create new Forums or subforums? Besides topics in "Faith and Chaplaincy", we are also seeing more topics suitable for the also-yet-to-be-created "Starting a new Scouts BSA girls' troop - practical how-to's" forum or subforum. I'd also be interested in a "Faith and Chaplaincy" forum. That aspect of BSA is currently absent from that other scouting organization in which I have spent a lot of years. I'm curious about best practises and other scouters' experiences. To what degree and how can you encourage the scouts to take their families' faiths seriously (or at least what can
  23. The other really intimidating thing about becoming a girl scout leader was realizing that I was the face of scouting to these kids. There was no pack, no pack meeting, no larger group with which we met regularly. (Maybe a service unit event a couple of time a year, which many of the girls did not attend because it was not at a convenient time for them.) There was also no decent handbook. (Just the Girls Guide to Girl Scouting which was rather empty of information and overpriced, and which very very few families bought. Also the Journey books, but what they contained was not the scoutin
  24. Hi @Hawkwin Selective quoting there. You missed the part where I said It is a different picture if the new family is willing to always have an adult available to help out. GSUSA troops have nothing like a committee chair or a committee to help recruit additional adult leaders or to handle paperwork. For a typical troop it all falls on the two parents who have stepped up be leaders. (And for a year-and-a-half I was the leader of a troop which really didn't have two leaders. After my co-leader's job situation changed preventing her from continuing, I relied on a ro
  25. Typically troops start with no money, no equipment, no meeting place, two adults who have never been scout leaders before, and a dozen kindergarten girls. Moreover the council wants us to end the year having zeroed out the bank balance, unless the money is earmarked for a specific future need. Leaders are supposed to find a meeting place that they can meet, for no fee, that is preferably in a public location (school, church, business, etc) and that is handicapped accessible. (Though there is a loophole that allows troops to meet in private homes if certain conditions are met. Some leader
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