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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Many kids get sound moral teaching at home, or at a religious institution. For them, the scout law is merely re-inforcing what they should already be learning, and applying it in practical situations. It is for the minority of kids that don't get sound moral teaching at home or church (or synagogue or temple or school or . . .) that even the "95% of things we have in common" that they can get through scouting is much much better than nothing. These kids can benefit from learning "I will do my best to be honest and fair, friendly and helpful, considerate and caring . . ." (current GSUSA law) even if the scout law does not touch on sexual morality.
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    Lifetime of Leadership - new Girl Scout ad campaign

    I have no idea why they dropped the Golden Eaglet. But . . . The "First Class" award had recognition problems of its own. Back when it was the top Girl Scout award, you could get the reaction, from people familiar with boy scouts but unfamiliar with girl scouting, that it wasn't a very a high level award -- since they were, presumably, thinking of BSA where first class is followed by three higher ranks. Of course "Gold Award", at first, had the problem that no one had ever heard of it. And I don't think that it has fully overcome this problem.
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    Lifetime of Leadership - new Girl Scout ad campaign

    Did you notice in the "lifetime of leadership" video, one woman was labelled as "Celine Dion Girl Guide & Singer". The inclusivity is including other WAGGGS member countries.
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    Lifetime of Leadership - new Girl Scout ad campaign

    So I realize I have been too negative. While GSUSA's current focus on civic engagement is not what I am particularly looking for for my daughter, some families may very well be looking for this. Expecially now that girls will have two scouting organizations to choose from (BSA and GSUSA) it is good that GSUSA is being clear about their emphases, for example: "G.I.R.L. Agenda 2018: Leading Change Through Civic Action". This will help families select the program that they feel is most appropriate for their girls, instead of being disconcerted that the GSUSA their girls have joined has modernized and does not have the same emphases that they remember from childhood. Perhaps it will be useful for scouters and scoutleaders on both sides of the BSA/GSUSA divide to be able to articulate, in a positive way, the different strengths of each program, so that families of girls can make a thoughtful choice. (And yes I am aware that there have already been other scouting or scout-like organizations open to girls, such as BPSA or AHG, but for many families those are not a realistic option, because there are no units in their vicinity.)
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    Lifetime of Leadership - new Girl Scout ad campaign

    And that council may not exist any more, having been merged with other councils. Who knows what happened to the records?
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    Lifetime of Leadership - new Girl Scout ad campaign

    I, cynically, see two reasons for this 1) This lets them include lots more women, including those who were only a Brownie for only a year. and 2) The Gold Award was introduced in 1980, so the very oldest Gold Award recipients are in their early 50's now. This would rule out many older women. Moreover there is not good, short, phrase meaning "person who earned the Gold Award". The best I am aware of are "Gold Awardee" or "Gold Award recipient". None of these roles off the tongue as smoothly as "Eagle Scout" or "Girl Scout" or "[adjective] Scout"
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    Lifetime of Leadership - new Girl Scout ad campaign

    After having been rather uninvolved with Girl Scouts for a while, I got much more involved again as my daughter reached the age to join. Slowly I have been forming the impression that what the girl scouts (national and council) currently wants for the girls to do is to a) beg and b) badger. Let me explain myself. a) beg: There is a huge emphasis on the cookie sale, and also an emphasis on the fall product sale. It is made very clear to the troops that no other fundraising whatsoever may be done unless these two fundraisers are done by the troop. These provide but little money to the troops themselves, and involve the girls begging their friends, relatives, and neighbors to buy overpriced stuff that they don't actually need or want. My daughter has even been sent emails from the council saying " Online Sales Your goal is $200.00 and you have $0.00 in total online sales. " when her troop was skipping the fall product sale. b) badger: The girl scouts have shifted from emphasizing service projects to something they call "Take Action" projects. It seems to be an encouraged thing for the girls not so much to do helpful things themselves, but to persuade other people to do things. For example, from the "Junior Girls Guide to Girl Scouting" (page 6 of the bronze award insert) one of the example "take action" projects is petitioning the local government to add a stop sign near the school. The example given in the Junior "Agent of Change" Journey is persuading local people to volunteer at the local animal shelter. The current emphasis "G.I.R.L. Agenda 2018: Leading Change Through Civic Action" seems right in line with what is in the books. I'd rather, at my daughter's age, the emphasis be on how she herself can be helpful "to help other people at all times" and to "do a good turn daily", rather than on her trying to persuade other people to do things that she thinks need doing. And far as what girl scouts wants the leaders to do, the emphasize is two-fold: a) cookie sale (and fall product sale) and b) register more girls
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    Stain on Uniform!

    I echo this: DO NOT DRY IN A DRYER. You may need to wash multiple times, trying different options. Another to try: pour liquid laundry detergent directly on the grease spot and rub in thoroughly. Let sit about five minutes. Wash in warm water (if it were not for the uniform patches, I'd say hot water). About five minutes into the wash cycle add liquid NON-CHLORINE COLOR-SAFE bleach. Hang dry and check whether grease spot is gone. If faded but not gone, repeat the process. If not faded try another type of detergent or stain remover.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Something similar is being done currently by some of the more traditional GSUSA leaders, since the current GSUSA program makes the outdoors completely optional. I will find it interesting to see how many of them decide to switch scouting organizations to a more traditional scouting program (BSA) and how many will stick with GSUSA and make the best of it, given their long ties to that organization. So despite the concerns some of you have that BSA is becoming too progressive by admitting girls, I expect that some of the most "progressive" families may continue to prefer GSUSA for their girls, and BSA will get girls whose families don't mind the more conservative reputation that BSA has.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Actually, it was his sister, Agnes, that he recruited. He didn't marry until later, and his wife Olave did eventually become World Chief Guide.
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    Scout BSA Uniform Survey (Girls)

    Definitely not. If BSA wants to accommodate families who are very conservative about girls' clothing, that can be easily solved. Just make the pants material available by the yard, and those girls could make their own skirts, of suitably long length. Skirts are not hard to make, and families who don't approve of modern styling almost certainly have sewing skills. Those skorts are just so wrong. As a field uniform, light-weight nylon zip-offs seem much more practical. Easy to cover the legs when needed when dealing with ticks, mosquitoes, and poison ivy. And even though I am not particularly conservative about clothing (have no objections to girls wearing jeans to church) I generally dislike the mini-skirt skorts. They look like they are just one gust of wind away from too much exposure, and therefore seem to be inviting inappropriate attention directed at the legs.
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    Unit number change and embracing the new

    In my area, there are a half-dozen towns that have a Boy Scout Troop 1. At least three of these are in the same district of the same council. So, I am confused. Do boy scout troops get to pick their own number? Will the new Scouts BSA girls' troops get to pick their own troop numbers? What criteria are there? (In GSUSA the numbers are assigned. In my area they are assigned 5-digit numbers which are very very hard to remember.)
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    From National: Official Name

    What ideas do y'all have for co-ed/linked troops, to keep things as good as possible for the boys while still letting the girls in? What about a strong emphasis on doing as much as possible by patrol, with each patrol having its own identity and camaraderie. Let the patrols camp some distance apart. Encourage the patrols to go on occasional patrol outings and overnights. The linked girls troop would essentially be a girls' patrol. And the boys would have their boy-only space within their patrols.
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    From National: Official Name

    'fraid so. My personal preference would be for my daughter to join a thriving all-girls BSA troop which has a range of ages and experience levels in the girls, from tenderfoot to Eagle, and has an experienced scoutmaster and ASMs, and plenty of adult volunteers, a good alumni network, a good supply of equipment, and a decent bank balance. And uses the patrol system well. Such a troop does not exist. So do I want: a) a brand-new all-girls troop: inexperienced young girls, inexperienced scouters, no money, no equipment, no oldtimers to mentor the newcomers or b) a "linked" troop which is, effectively, an all-girls patrol within an existing well-established, thriving BSA troop. Probably (b) if (b) ends up being an option.
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    From National: Official Name

    But not all of them. Especially not all of the old-timers. Some of the vocal groups have been "GSUSA are you listening?", "The Outdoor Journey Project", . . . And if you want to see some internal GSUSA complaints, there are some here: http://girlscoutwithacause.dawgtoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gs-ceowhite_paper_2015.pdf With commentary here: http://girlscoutwithacause.dawgtoons.com/2015/10/white-paper-hub-bub/ And if the outdoors-interested old-timers cannot get GSUSA to listen, . . . .
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    I missed reading this before I wrote my not-quite-simultaneous post. A custom design sounds great! Much better than just picking something someone else has made. GSUSA does troop crests rather than patrol patches. For years they used to make available blank troop crests, so that troops could embroider their own if they didn't like any of the available styles. But they discontinued this when they changed the shape of the troop crest and reduced the number of options to sixteen. My daughter's troop didn't like any of them and so skipped the troop crest entirely.
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    Why do you think that the girls will want "girl-centric" or "girl-oriented" patches? Their interests (especially for girls willing to join an organization called "Boy Scouts") are much broader than that. By the way, I am also horrified by pink tools for girls and pastel building-block sets. If you give girls primarily that kind of stuff you are essentially saying that everything else is not for them.
  18. "Take therefore no thought for the morrow" is archaic (early 1600's) phraseology. A more modern translation might be clearer: "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow". I never saw this as being in opposition to "be prepared".
  19. I agree. In particular the GSUSA national organization being bitter. It will be interested to see what happens to both organizations when the girls vote with their feet.
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Cancel it just for the girls. That will give the incentive for one of the girls' moms to step up and volunteer. Doing otherwise (cancelling for the boys too) would just make everyone mad at the girls. Cancelling for just the girls would only upset the girls, and then they can badger their moms to volunteer.
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    IOLS sign ups

    You were right. It was time for me to follow up. The word is that the registrar needs to process it through the system. But I now at least have a receipt for my check. (And I did send the YPT certificate, etc.) Thanks for the advice. My previous experience with BSA? None to speak of. Previous experience with scouting: GSUSA, including TOFS troops, and opportunities to interact with Girl Guides from other countries. This left me with the sense that scouting/guiding is not an activity you go and do once in a while, instead, being a scout/guide is something you are. And it is not tied to one single national scouting/guiding organization. I had become somewhat frustrated with the direction the GSUSA program materials have been going --- seeming to try to attract the kind of girls who hadn't been interested in scouting if scouting involved going outside and getting dirty. It seemed to me that GSUSA, while they still have the stated mission that "Girl Scouting builds girls of courage, confidence, and character, who make the world a better place", has largely dropped the game of scouting with its patrols, camping, rank advancement, etc, as a means to that goal. But we had been sticking with that organization, because it has much good in its history, and because there weren't any other scouting organizations realistically available to us. We simply didn't use the program materials we disliked. My daughter (grade 6), hearing that BSA would be opening up to girls, picked up a boy scout handbook and started reading it, and comparing it with the current GSUSA program materials, and with the older girl scout books from the 1920s and 1930s (yes I have those, and they quote Baden-Powell on "how camping teaches the Guide Law"). She concluded that modern BSA sounded like a better program than modern GSUSA, and that modern BSA is much more similar to the old GSUSA than the modern GSUSA is. And I figure that if she wants to become a boy scout, then I need to learn more about BSA and be ready to volunteer in some capacity if needed. Because if no one volunteers then there won't be any BSA4G troops. And while she will need to wait till next February to join, I can go ahead and join now and start taking training. I expect that switching organizations might be a bit of a culture shock. So, besides watching the training videos on my.scouting.org (which I found informative) I'm also reading some of the discussions here on scouter.com to learn a little of the culture, and reading various books recommended here such as "Working the Patrol Method" and "So Far, So Good"
  22. No course fees for the courses on my.scouting.com. Free.
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    IOLS sign ups

    That's right. I'm not already connected to any of the local boy scout troops, because I don't have a son already in boy scouts. And it is not yet clear which of the local troops might be interested in being linked with a BSA4G troop next year. (My daughter wants to join, and with a new troop it seems to me that there is a high probability that more volunteers will be wanted.)
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    IOLS sign ups

    I was able to register for IOLS through the council website without begining registered with BSA. (At least the online system took my money and sent me out an automated email.) But, I was concerned that I would be thrown off the attendee list not being registered with BSA, so I set about doing that. That, it turns out, was much harder to do, since I am not part of a unit yet (no BSA4G units yet exist). Eventually the advice from the local Family Scouting Committee was to register as a "District Reserve Scouter" which required a paper form sent snail mail. I've gotten confirmation that the form has arrived. I suppose I am now registered. IOLS will happen later this month.
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    Our Council's New Gender Inclusive Branding

    So . . . I am one of the newbies interested in BSA4G. Why? Because my daughter has compared the Boy Scout handbook with the various "Girls Guides to Girl Scouting" and GSUSA "Journeys" and she wants to switch. (And I agree with her opinion.) While I want the girls to have a better program than they do now, I certainly don't want to diminish the boys' experience. I see the place for a single-gender male environment (and one for a single gender female environment also). And it's not like the sixth grade girls actually want to have anything to do with the sixth grade boys, they'd rather have their own group -- just doing the same program the boys do but without the boys. So, it would be great to have a truly singer-gender BSA4G troop, meeting and camping completely separately from the boys. But, the idea of getting a new troop off the ground is daunting, especially for someone new to the whole program. I've been thinking that it sure would be easier and more realistic to get a BSA4G troop started if it were closely linked to an existing troop, even to the extent of a significant amount of shared activities, even though my natural preference would be for a girls-only environment. That is where some of you oldtimers, who have scoutmaster experience, and who want to maintain the single-gender environment for the boys, could be really helpful. Volunteer to help with a new BSA4G troop -- in order to keep the troop really separate from the boys' troop. (And if you are of a grandfatherly age, so much the better. The girls' moms will be more at ease with you in troop leadership that if you were twenty-something.)
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