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an_old_DC

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  1. I am curious how the leaders get away with flagrantly disregarding several National policies. Do they collect membership apps and dues from the girls? Do they submit Advancement reports for the girls? Is “Sam” really Samantha? Or are the girls really tagalongs? are there registered female leaders over 21 at meetings and campouts?
  2. @Eagle94-A1 Yes, I fully agree with you for most of your post. Anybody who has been in Scouting for very long can see what will happen. The volunteers on the National steering committee know it too, as does the CSE. They are playing the long game while boots on the ground are trying to figure out the day to day operations. that said, the volunteers in @bearesssons’ Troop clearly disregard National membership policies as well as YPT. She has posted several times that her sons Troop is co-ed. The fact is: Girls cannot be members of a Boy Scout Troop. if they will ignore these policies,
  3. Well, all the details get loaded into the Detailed Assessment form in the electronic Commissioner Tools. He wouldn't get all he needs from the JTE scorecard, but he would get everything he needs in a detailed conversation with you. He could take notes during the visit, and then complete the form on-line later.
  4. That's not how our Council does this and it is not the process outlined by National. A Unit Commissioner, Assistant District Commissioner or District Commissioner should be scheduling a face-to-face Unit Visit with the Key Three and then discuss "unit health," during which time the Commissioner fills out the form. When is the last time any sort of Commissioner visited your unit? By the way, a diligent Commissioner of any type can pull all of the Section 2 numbers and reports themselves in advance. @MikeS72posted this too but it bears repeating. It sort of defeats the purpos
  5. @SaltfaceYes, I have completed a similar form...as a Commissioner during a Unit Visit. This is a Commissioner task. Has he asked for a time for the unit's Key Three to meet with him? That's when he should be filling it out with your help.
  6. I get the sense National just wants girls to join, wants their parents to join, and wants the parents’ money—and is not too concerned about pesky details like Program requirements. Now details like selling pink “Scout” t-shirts, new neckerchiefs and revamping a magazine? That’s a different story. National is all over brand management.
  7. @Tampa TurtleI am sad to see you go. If I didn’t know you were in Tampa, I would often swear you were in my council. i will pour you a cup of coffee around the virtual campfire. thanks for all the thoughtful posts, and for the lighthearted ones too.
  8. Call the Scout Executive. You need to know what somebody told him or her—especially since the Troop CC is not forthcoming. it is very odd nobody contacted you before contacting the SE. there is more to this story somehow.
  9. The Council SE does not have authority to remove a Scout from BSA; only National can revoke membership. Now, the SE can absolutely request that National revoke membership. If the situation merits removal, National will then--after investigation-- revoke membership and that's that. However, that is usually for something criminal. The same goes for removing adults. I think OP needs to call the troop CC.
  10. @David CO I believe we were posting simultaneously. The COR can certainly remove the Scout from its unit, however it cannot ban the Scout from all BSA activities. If the COR removes the youth, he certainly could join a different unit--if he wants.
  11. I would like to know who the letter is actually from, if it does show up. I have worked with troops when the committee wanted to ban a Boy Scout from all BSA activities--and they were really upset when they found out they have no such authority. Then again, I helped a unit when a Boy Scout was banned from all BSA activities by National while they investigated the events in question. However, there had been multiple SM and SM/CC conferences with the Scout before Council and National became involved, so the ban was not a surprise. BTW, National eventually decided things were not quite
  12. @FireStone and @Buggie thank you for replying. Like I said, I am just curious.
  13. I am putting this thread in I&P just in case it goes off the rails. I don't want to start any debates, judge anybody or imply anybody is more passionate than somebody else, I honestly am just curious about something. So, for the folks who are excited about girls being able to join Scouts, BSA next year, were you a Boy Scout as a youth, are you an Eagle Scout, and have you been a Scoutmaster? And because I don't want to cross post in a different forum, if you are excited about Scouts BSA members--along with Venturers and Sea Scouts--soon to become eligible to join OA, were you an
  14. @desertrat I am an ISP graduate too! Red beret and you forgot the knee high green tube top socks with shorts. For some reason I earned a TON of skill awards. Old timers guided us too: Eagle Scout former USMC Scoutmaster and former Army ASM. We were hard core campers who always did a lot of pioneering. So we got the old program too
  15. Geez, if the geniuses at National tell us girls love the program and want everything Boy Scouts has to offer, why change the name, drop "Boys'" from "Boys' Life" etc.?
  16. Woke up this morning suddenly realizing that if girls will be able to join OA, then that means we will need adult women OA members at all chapter meetings, service projects, chapter campouts and other outings, etc. etc.etc. Even if the girls drive themselves to meetings and such, we will still need adult women OA members present. That will be a giant headache.
  17. By the way, I don’t worry about what a DE or DD thinks.
  18. Nope. Let’s just say I know for a fact I am not on that list
  19. Some aren't "bad", I would say they are naïve or, well, let's just say they aren't the brightest light in the harbor.
  20. I understand. I have held key district committee positions for several years. I know how DEs get put on PIPs, and I know what their office environment is like when they are under FOS goals. Then again, when a district is doing well, too many professionals act like it is magic or as a result of their "guidance", and they fail to acknowledge the role of volunteers' efforts.
  21. ...and professionals who will not answer a phone call and take several days to reply to an email make the life of a District Committee Chair not very enjoyable, especially when the District Chair has to teach the DE how to write a business letter, how to make a sales pitch, how to close a deal...and oh yeah, teach him or her about BSA policies, procedures and practices, not to mention the Aims and Methods because the DE was never a Cub Scout, Boy Scout or Venturer. I have trained three DEs over the years, so I get it. My point is that many--not all but many--professionals treat volunteer
  22. big open field + tent city + few actual unit leaders + adolescent male and female "Arrow-people" mixing freely....
  23. I was just called a "conditional Scouter" by a council professional for expressing my displeasure about girls in OA. 🤢 I guess being an adult volunteer for 15 years and helping 49 Scouts earn the rank of Eagle Scout, being OA Chapter Advisor, taking Venturers and Boy Scouts to Philmont 4 times, and having held key district committee positions several times doesn't count for much. Oh yeah, my dad's an Eagle Scout, I am too, and so are both my sons. But somehow I am not "committed."
  24. I am not an LDS Scouter but their timing is starting to look pretty good to me.
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