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  1. 56 minutes ago, FireStone said:

    YTP does give some helpful criteria for defining bullying. For good reason, deciding what bullying is should not be left up to unit leaders or parents. You would run into the exact problem I ran into, where some adults just chalk it up to "kids being kids".

    It's not as vague as would be expected from the BSA. Broadly, they define forms of bullying as:

    Verbal—name calling, teasing, threats
    Social—spreading rumors, leaving the target out of activities, breaking up or manipulating friendships
    Physical—hitting, pushing, shoving, physical coercion
    Group—intimidations, ostracizing
    Criminal—injury, assault, sexual aggression
    Cyberbullying—using digital technology such as social media, gaming, texting,etc.,for any of the above

    Within YPT, if I recall correctly they go into more detail.

    That is a good general list, but also we as leaders need to make sure we understand the context.  Yes the reporting scout may feel bullying took place, it is the catch all phrase.  But in some of those instances, especially the verbal, social, and group issues there can (and I stress can) be times where the one feeling bullyed may have played a part, poked for a reaction, and then got a reaction.  Critical to fully speak with and understand what caused this to transpire.

    Not excusing a reaction, but we as leaders need to understand the background

    Had a scout who complained he felt bullyed, basically the scouts were not including him in all the reindeer games..but...the scout was a bit of a troublemaker, cause some strife, like to stir things up.  We talked with the larger group about being friendly and also that a if they had a problem, maybe a conversation with scout would be helpful.  Talked with the scout about his attitude and what he may could bring to the solution.

    Not a specific bullying issue but at an Eagle BOR we asked a Scout about what good life lessons he gained from Scouting (open ended question).  He admitted that when he was an 11 year old he could be a bit of a pill, he was trying to do something with some older scouts, they told him to not be such a a**hole and maybe he could, he needed to shut up first and not be a jerk.  Made an impact on him that his behavior could have a negative impact on people's perceptions (lightbulb moment)

     

    34 minutes ago, Eagledad said:

    Your missing the key part, harm. The first three acts on that list could be, and many times would be, "kids' being kids". Someone who just happen walk by a group of boys calling each other names might assume the worst when in reality it is nothing more than kids trying to outwit the others, play. So, BEFORE anyone is accused of anything, a CLARIFICATION should be determined of the situation. I can also think of two situations where scouts were taken to the emergency room for an injury cause during play. No foul intentions, just play that went too far. 

    Absolutely, some quiet conversation and fact finding can go a long way.  May lead to some tough conversations and intraspective thoughts


  2. We do ZERO fundraisers.  Scouts pay annual dues for registration.  We charge a nominal fee for monthly outings, basically break even to cover campsite expenses, etc.  For summer camp and high adventure that is funded by the Scouts attending.

    Works for us.  In my limited experience the time and commitment to a sales effort is not well spent for the return

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  3. Most of our Scouts hammock, so it's not an issue.  We have mixed age patrols.  That being said when we have 6 patrols on an outing, they function for cooking, setup, etc as a patrol; but still hang out with friends for camping.  

    As a side note, my observation over the years has been that Scouts that are inseparable in 5th grade may have drifted apart by 8th grade.  Have Scouts function as patrols, but also let them associate as they like.  

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  4. I try to evenly distribute the weight in my pack to some degree, makes the trail miles much easier.  Though you likely want slightly more weight in the top.  Keep water low and not too much stuff randomly strapped on bouncing about.

    I may have missed the intent of this discussion.....

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  5. I was on the Council Advancement call, apparently the council has a stated goal for number of Eagle Scouts for the year.  I assume this is not new, but it is a little disheartening.  The goal of the BSA have never been to generate Eagle Scouts.  That is really a byproduct of a superior and engaged program.

    Not sure if I really like that.  Do wonder if all the councils are pushing this "goal"?  As a side-note we seem to be about 31% of goal right now.  Guess districts are going to need to run second shifts on the EBOR's to meet goal.

    If we exceed the number in December does the council plan to hold off on EBOR's to sandbag some for 2020?


  6. Only one I recall suspending was a First Class one, we casually asked about his camping events, Scout sort of fumbled so we dissected that item, realized he had not in fact met that requirement, so we encouraged him to go on the outing coming up, get that wrapped up, and we would see him later.

    For an EBOR the applicant has had a SM conference, the application has been approved by the unit, the application has been approved by the council, all the boxes have been checked.  Unless the applicant is way out of line, would not see suspending an EBOR.   If the board maybe spotted some signature not in place on the Eagle project packet or application, maybe, but that would likely be an oversight and not a planned attempt to deceive.


  7. Odd that a program that was built on the outdoors, with that outside emphasis being a differentiator in the crowded marketplace that serves youth, is ever so slowly (actually not so slowly) being pushed to the back of the offerings.  Not saying you have to camp every week but if you purport to be a trained leader in Scouts BSA you should embrace the concept of the outdoor adventure and you maybe should have actually camped at some point so you have that experience and understand how that works.

    We go outside, we go do STUFF, we go have FUN.  

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  8. We had a Scout join later than most, he was 15 and maybe 9 months.  We had a conversation about his goals, he indicated an interest in earning the Eagle rank.  At our first summer camp (we attend 2) had discussions and I told him if he was committed then the second camp would be a good thing to earn some additional MB.  He did attend and we worked with the camp to get into MB sessions that could be completed and could assist with rank advancement (also some for fun).  Then last summer he went  to high adventure and attended the second summer camp.  He did wrap up his Eagle in June. 

    Not a bad plan.  The Scout summer camps can assist with the rank advancement.  Hope she enjoys the journey.


  9. We had National Camp inspections back in the 70's.  I recall being a provisional camper, helping tidy the waterfront up.  The guys from "National" came though.  That's what I was told.

    As a Program Director and Camp Director we had specific inspection standards and review in early 80's.  Again, the mysterious guys from "National" came though

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  10. 15 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:

    Yes it is.

    A 57-mile trips is a very significant undertaking. Lots of planning. Good equipment choices, etc.

    The scoutmaster's shortcomings aren't in letting the boys make boats, or even boating when the water level is a "little high"....it's in doing these things as a 57-mile trip.  THAT combination is silly.

    Agree.  Seems like if you did in fact want to undertake a homemade canoe trip 57 miles, which is a cool idea, there would need to be significant shakedown and testing.  Maybe load them up and let them float in a lake (pool??) for several days.  Have the Scouts paddle around a lake that provides a simple and easy bailout area.  If you do undertake this journey, have some regular canoes, chase boats, to sweep behind. 

    Maybe they did the testing phase and process, but seeing as how several barely made it off the ramp, would appear they may not have.

    We kayak with an outfitter every couple of years.  Everybody wears PFD, stay with your buddy, we stop and group up a few times, one specific lead boat, and most of the leaders perform the sweep at the end to make sure no hangups


  11. Not getting into the smoking pot at a meeting and on the property of the CO, which unless your CO is a dispensary, I am gong to assume they would not be in favor, let's deal with summer camp.

    The mom does not really get to "insist" he gets a second chance.  You, from what was stated, were well beyond that.  Mom comes and get him, end of story.  There were certainly some issues that need to be resolved.

    In maybe 20 years we have sent two scouts home from camp, we go to two camps each summer, maybe 50 at one and 25 at the other, so a large group.  In both cases what the Scout did was not the main issue, the main issue was disregard for the Youth leaders and in some cases the adults.  The most recent one we called mom and she wanted to know if he said he was really sorry, could he stay.  We advised the troop was well beyond that.  It was 9:00 am, she or dad needed to be there by noon.  

    We are a Scout troop and we want to work and build youth, challenge is sometimes we are not the correct vehicle to do that work.  


  12. RSO seems like the RSO you would get from central casting, my way or the highway.  Yes safety is a concern, yes you need to follow all the correct guidelines.  

    The parent was there, was going to directly supervise.  A minute or two of quick instruction to the father could have alleviated all of this.  But it was "His" range...so here we are.

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  13. I always encourage typing as it can be updated.  Sometimes the assumption that all youth fully understand all aspects of all platforms like fillable PDF documents because they have a phone glued to their hand is incorrect.

    Was working with one scout, he knew Excel and Powerpoint, but was confused by the PDF.  Showed him how to cut and paste, which he commented with amazement was the same as Excel and Powerpoint keyboard shortcuts.  This was a HS Junior.  Sometimes the transference of knowledge and tasks is not intuitively obvious


  14. Rank advancement is up to the Scout. His pace.  His advancement.  Some I have seen complete First Class really fast, then they wrap up Eagle a day prior to their 18th birthday.  Others have been more journeyman and have a different journey.

    Your Scout needs to first and foremost have FUN and enjoy the Scouting journey.  Anything else is just a bonus

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  15. Interesting that the question is what do we give versus what information is available.  For our troop on the troop website there are links to all the needed detail.  If a Scout needs or wants some detail, it is there.

    At camp we have an information board with camp map, the schedule the scout signed up for, troop activities, the overall camp schedule etc etc etc.  If a Scout has a question, we say "check the board"

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  16. One question will be is how to make this financially viable.  The first thought by many local execs, oh well the ranger can take care of that.  Being a ranger and being a campground host are entirely different.  Also RV's and folks need power, water, sewage, etc.  Not saying it is a bad idea, but it needs to be well thought out.

    What impact will this have on Scouts that are camping there or nearby?  Lot to think about

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