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  1. Jameson76

    Snow Days?

    In these parts they have e-days, so while they are not in school, students must log-in by a certain time, do their assignments, and it counts as a school day That way no extended days
  2. Cycling is a hard one due to the rides, yes if you are cycler it is straightforward, but to the casual participant it is tough. We are near one of the longest rails to trails in the country, literally it runs 90 miles one way. The troop does a bicycle trek on it annually. For the weekend the scouts can typically accomplish the 25 mile and then a 10 or 15 the next day. Also they can do the 50 mile if they are up to it. There are 7 rides total, so it does take planning. Over a couple years a Scout can complete maybe 4 of the rides with the troop and do the other 3 around the city we live in. I would agree that Lifesaving is a much more straightforward path than E Prep. Hiking MB also has numerous hikes; a 5 miler, three 10 milers, and one 15 miler. Then a 20 miler. Swimming is a simpler path
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    So...let's assume you have 12 Scouts / Parents each time for 12 events and it's 2.5 hours each time - That is 360 hours. For that time investment the unit gets $1,000 or roughly $2.75 per hour expended. Also clearly there would be more time put in to organize the monthly labor needs, phone calls, schedules, etc. That will fall on one of the leaders plates to coordinate. May be better to just pay the recharter fee directly from unit funds and politely decline to be a labor force for the CO...unless you get a split of the profits.
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    First thought is this is one of the pitfalls / minefields that will be an obstruction to delivering program, but the lawyers will love to have the discussion Second thought is that as the requirement is at least one female on the event, then as long as no one on one contact, and there is a registered female on the event, you would be in compliance. Currently we have 1 leader and multiple Boy Scouts in cars / vehicles all the time. There is more than one leader on the outing (two deep) and there is no one on one contact with the youth as there is more than one Boy Scout in the car.
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    No doubt there was a survey, then a listening tour, then a sub-committee meeting on the topic, then a working committee meeting on the topic, then a general committee meeting on the topic which was forwarded with a resolution of support for the change to the legal topics sub-committee, who then reviewed, sought outside counsel advise, the outside counsel then also reviewed, looked over historic documents to understand what the original framers of the Guide to Safe Scouting's intent may have been, the watched "Follow Me Boys" (twice) as active reference material, reviewed the desired change on the corporate retreat to the lovely Sheraton Grand on the Big Island, then forwarded their recommendation to the firms partner working group who took in under advisement, who then sent the recommendation (123 page document with annotated index and twenty-seven 8-by-10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was, to be used as evidence in the proceedings), which the committee then reviewed in detail and forwarded their support recommendation to the BSA Executive Board who flew in some of the lawyers from the outside counsel to do a full 76 page PPT slide presentation to the board, who then took it under advisement, considered it, voted, and then it was approved. Bottom line nobody is sure what the wordsmithing may in fact have cost
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    "Pencil Whipping" Requirements

    Below are the requirements. I suspect it could be done in one meeting. There is the requirement (#2) of "After Attending". As the rank is to be earned after they joined Scouts BSA, not sure how that would be handled. One could prep all the others, but that one specifically indicates after. Repeat from memory the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. In your own words, explain their meaning. Explain what Scout spirit is. Describe some ways you have shown Scout spirit by practicing the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. Demonstrate the Boy Scout sign, salute, and handshake. Explain when they should be used. Describe the First Class Scout badge and tell what each part stands for. Explain the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Repeat from memory the Outdoor Code. In your own words, explain what the Outdoor Code means to you. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning. After attending at least one Boy Scout troop meeting, do the following: Describe how the Scouts in the troop provide its leadership. Describe the four steps of Boy Scout advancement. Describe what the Boy Scout ranks are and how they are earned. Describe what merit badges are and how they are earned. Explain the patrol method. Describe the types of patrols that are used in your troop. Become familiar with your patrol name, emblem, flag, and yell. Explain how these items create patrol spirit. Show how to tie a square knot, two half-hitches, and a taut-line hitch. Explain how each knot is used. Show the proper care of a rope by learning how to whip and fuse the ends of different kinds of rope. Demonstrate your knowledge of pocketknife safety. With your parent or guardian, complete the exercises in the pamphlet "How to Protect Your Children from Child Abuse: A Parents Guide" and earn the Cyber Chip Award for your grade. 1 Since joining the troop and while working on the Scout rank, participate in a Scoutmaster conference.
  7. Average of 6.55 Scouts per unit. Trust they get to critical mass quickly. A Scout troop with less than 10 Scouts is hard to keep the momentum going.
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    Cub Scout takes knee during pledge

    Reading the article, and some others, possibly the dad encouraged him to do the protest. Certainly the young man and his family have every right to protest in whatever way they care to and wherever they might feel the urge. They have that right as a US citizen. The First amendment is in fact the first for a reason. I many not agree with his protest, but he does have the right to protest. The problem is that the Cub is in fact representing not only his pack, but his Charted organization, his district, his council, and the BSA in general. If he wants to protest the pledge of allegiance, show up as a citizen at the city council meeting, and kneel away. He chose to come to the event and lead the pledge as a member of an organization that basically works to help youth learn about and develop their duty to God, duty to country, duty to self. When representing that organization it is no longer just his protest, he is taking advantage of a spotlight not for him, but for the organization he is supposed to represent.
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    BEST - BSA Study

    From the CSE Letter - Note the term "collaborating". The BSA (i.e. National Office) will be very involved The BSA, the Institute for Research on Youth Thriving and Evaluation (RYTE) at Montclair State University, and the American Institutes for Research are collaborating to conduct the study.
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    BEST - BSA Study

    Since it is a survey by BSA National Office, can they save time by going ahead and publishing the results now? Would save a lot of time and money to go ahead and tell the minions in the trenches what they want us to know. Your example of the First Class First Year is spot on. The real challenge is that it is NOT rocket science to keep Scouts active. But to justify the headquarters jobs and spend the money, they've got to do something that appears helpful. The secret?? Have a FUN program. Go camping, Go outside, Go do stuff. Now the problem is how to get that implemented at every troop, many troops take themselves waaay to seriously, 75 page troop manuals, and basically make Scouting just more school. Scouts show up looking for fun, fire, and knives. They get cyber chip, comparing the cost of items at three locations, and having to explain utilities to their house. Not bad stuff, but not exactly fun, fire, and knives.
  11. To be clear, there is no Post Project / Pre-EBOR required of the District or Council There is Unit and District approval of the project proposal. There is no requirement that the district review be a board or that the approval be a meeting. Just that there is a review by the district advancement team or their designee. There is not a specific requirement for a Post Project / Pre-EBOR. Only that the Scout, Beneficiary, and Unit Leader sign that the work was completed. The Eagle application and project process is covered in detail in Section 9 in the Guide to Advancement. All the ins and outs are covered, runs about 11 pages.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Use of the word (or it's longer form) POLITICAL 4 times in one sentence is impressive. And I would agree. The setting, use of the BSA uniform with a rank patch she knows very well was not actually awarded, and wearing an ERA button is very much a political (see definition below) statement and not happenstance. She is putting as much pressure as possible to get what she wants, sort of scorched earth at this point. A definition of politics (and there are many) - Politics is the process of making decisions that apply to members of a group. It refers to achieving and exercising positions of governance—organized control over a human community, particularly a state
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Careful...you could get labeled a conditional Scouter and un-Scoutlike for posing such questions......
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    Merit Badges of Yore...

    Sort of like Auto Mechanics that is now Automotive Maintenance, it can be confusing They brought back Pathfinding and Stalking in 2010 as part of the historic merit badges. Pathfinding was interesting and achievable, had a good clinic for that one with the unit. We looked at having a clinic for Stalking but it was pretty in depth and took a hard pass.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    That would be awesome.... Challenge is daddy would likely already have the lawsuits typed up and ready to file if things did not go 100% their way
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Well. When you want what you want, just keep moving the goal posts until the organization accedes to your demands.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Wow...I guess it is all about her. Guess the whole all about the journey thing is not in her wheelhouse. She has a path to earn the Eagle Scout rank, but feels that is not the way she should earn (be awarded??) the rank. She want to be "recognized immediately, and not asked to re-do years of work as Scouts BSA has suggested" No. You will be asked to do the work as a registered Scout under the advancement guidelines as every registered Boy Scout (now Scouts BSA) participant has done and will do. Nothing more and (note this) nothing less.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Absolutely. Youth are free to learn all they would like in whatever forum they may want. For rank requirement from the time the youth is eligible to join, they need to follow all the requirements. Getting awarded ranks from the now Scouts BSA organization within the BSA will (should??) require them to follow all time and process needs.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I am not advocating preventing anyone from learning anything. What a small group of the newly joined members (one in particular) want to do is get the recognition from their time as they were tagging along with relatives. They basically want to be awarded ranks from the time before they joined the now Scouts BSA program. While they no doubt benefited from their experience, they were not in fact members of the organization. If they do join, they will need to adhere to all advancement guidelines, including time between ranks, camping nights as a member, merit badges requirements as a member, and holding positions of responsibility as a member. No life experience cutting of the corners. Use the extension, if you want to be part of the program, you need to be a part of the whole program. All the rules and regulations, not just the ones you sort of feel like adhering to.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    @qwazse Can you explain why you would want to let someone who was not a member of the Scout organization earn ranks within the Scout organization for their life experiences?
  21. They have published the 2019 Treks - Seems that the middle of the ranch will not be used. Sort of expected this was going to be the case. Either south country or north country. No hiking bear canyon or crossing US 64 https://www.philmontscoutranch.org/2019-itineraries-and-guidebook-to-adventure-released/?fbclid=IwAR0EAgyPzzB6nDK20QvbLg0oKnVvtunDAxmeqtRc7Y7JcUfHk17wOn8rhE8
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    Philmont 2019 Treks / Itineraries

    Best method is a white gas type stove and you can buy gas on the trail. Pound for pound best burn and temp ratio. We have had cash with us to buy gas. For the crews we send, our troop goes every two years (except when Philmont burns), past practice has been to take two identical stoves. Lately been using the MSR ones, though the Optimus ones have been successful. With identical ones you basically use one and the other is the backup. And you will probably need a backup. Worst case the crew can cannabalize and get a working stove. Not a bad idea to take a small amount of parts. We take 1 fuel canister for each and also 1 spare fuel tank. There have been occurrences where the canister got kicked over and fuel was lost. Good to the spare tank.
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    Sending a parcel to USA

    Thought with all the 911 systems everyone had hard addresses now An address tied to a specific geographic spot
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    Camporee idea?

    At high level good. But may want to keep it simple
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    This will be an interesting test One would hope that with the extension the BSA has given the opportunity. If life (little L) experience becomes the standard, then it opens a tremendous can of worms. Why can't any camping nights count for advancement, not just those with a troop?? Why do you have to do your project when you are a Life Scout, why not now?? Prerequisites are for losers, I did something similar and mom signed off....