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  1. Saw a post on another social media platform. A young lady was reporting that she has completed 1st class requirements as of May 4th 2019. I guess congratulations, but I had some observations: That means in 92 days (2/1/19 - 5/4/19) she has: Completed all the requirements for Scout / Tenderfoot / Second Class / First Class That is 118 separate items Including: 30 days of record keeping for Tenderfoot physical fitness 4 weeks (28 days) of record keeping for Second Class fitness after Tenderfoot fitness requirement 6C 4 weeks (28 days) of record keeping for First Class fitness after Second class fitness requirement 7A That's minimum of 86 days for those keeping score on the fitness requirements Went to 10 Scout events that do not include troop or patrol meetings. From those 10 - 6 were outdoor events For the outdoor events there were at least 3 overnight campouts where she slept in a tent or structure she put up (the campouts do seem easily attainable if troop camps monthly) Completed the BSA Swim Test Trust there was nothing more and nothing less required to complete the ranks.
  2. There is another hurdle (beyond the impending fee increase) tagged for recharter this year. Another update from National BSA is that all registered adult leaders must review the Background Check Disclosure and complete the BSA’s new Background Check Authorization. These authorization forms must be submitted with each unit’s recharter this December. No recharters will be able to be processed without this signed form from all registered adult leaders that are being renewed for the 2020 calendar year. Input is that units do not have access to the form right now. Hopefully they will be available soon. Each registered leader is expected to receive the form directly. Wonder how that will work. Possibly the councils will have copies of the form available before and during the recharter process. The form will be required to recharter any adult.
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    Where would you go?

    A lot lot lot of focus on Cubs. Looking on my council website; picture of a Cub, Lots of Cub Training, Lot of Spook-o-ree stuff. When they put in Tiger Cubs in 82, a good number of us thought that was a bit much. As many have noted, Cubs is less a fun program and more of a slog. We have had many boys over the years that bailed on Cubs / Webelos but came into Scouts. They were just tired of the same thing over and over. Input also is that 5th graders are not really into the family camping, they want to build fires and tell crude jokes The BSA's strength and distinction in the market place is the Outdoor Focus. If a unit does this, they will recruit and retain Scouts. The STEM stuff, Schools do it better. Duty to God, the Church youth groups likely has the better program. Leadership and independent thinking, learning life skills outdoors, yeah, THAT is what we do and what we SHOULD be focusing on. National is doing it's level best to limit the risk and activities, but many units plunge ahead. They have also WAAAAY over sold the Eagle rank. Yes it is good and yes it is a long term project, but that is not WHY we are running units, that is not the reason. Ranks advancement is a by product of good program, not the reason for it.
  4. Not to be all technical, pretty sure some of the basics were not covered. Maybe the middle on, they all looked over 21, not sure that have an understanding of the rank. - if conducted at the unit level, at least one district or council representative, who is not affiliated with the unit, must serve as a member. If the unit requests it, more than one may do so. - There shall be no fewer than three and no more than six members, all at least 21 years old. They need not be on an advancement committee or registered with the Boy Scouts of America, but they must have an understanding of the rank and the purpose and importance of the review. This holds true for Eagle boards of review held in any unit, whether troop, crew, or ship. - A board of review shall not occur until after the local council has verified the application. In the case of a board of review under disputed circumstances, the council must verify all the information that is not in dispute before the board of review is scheduled
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    Where would you go?

    Travelers listed the extension of the statute of limitations in New York as an exposure on their 10Q (that is a quarterly report mandated by the United States federal Securities and Exchange Commission, to be filed by publicly traded corporations recently, not sure if that is specifically related to coverage they carry on BSA or possibly other youth / religious groups
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    Where would you go?

    Now there's some cash outlay....golfing. $500 for clubs (yeah I know cheap set), $50 for green fees, $20 for a dozen balls...not to mention fees at the 19th hole
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    Where would you go?

    Personally...will hike off into the sunset remembering the good times, content I provided the best program I was able to for the youth in the local unit.
  8. Just curious how this was marketed? I literally get every e-mail possible it seems from the District, Council, etc. Nothing from Council on this and nothing it seems on the Council Website or Social Media Is Anti-Bullying one the 8 sorry...now apparently myriad aims of Scouting?
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    possible fee increase coming

    Well let's do the math 2,500,000 (Youth / Leaders / All in / Rounded up for ease of math) @ $33 = $82,500,000 less 525,000 LDS folks departing (yes yes I know, they may not have paid the full fees, lot of neat deals made, but let's press on) 1,975,000 (remaining) @ $33 = $65,175,000 Basic projected shortfall of $17,325,000 OR $8.77 per remaining participant to cover. That does not factor in the insurance increase, Summit Bechtel Reserve Tax, Scouting Professional Pension shortfalls, liability to abuse cases holdback, and a myriad of other financial woes hanging around out there. $49 may be the number That would be close to $97MM in revenue
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    possible fee increase coming

    The question will be, or National will try to push, is what is that breaking point? Is it $50, is it $60?? When will the frogs in the water in the slowly warming pot say "Wow, it's getting HOT" and jump out of the pot?
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    Council lost application

    Agree on the incomplete. As a unit we take the Eagle applications to the office, (pre-EBOR) then hang around until completed. We review them prior and even so, there is sometimes a date that does not work out right. We correct it right there. If we weren't there, I can see that application being put aside, e-mails sent (maybe), etc etc and it getting buried
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    possible fee increase coming

    The sobering part may be all the units that have NOT begun working through the math. They got the note but are assuming it will be another $10 - $12 increase. Suppose you are a NEW unit, just bee bopping along, planning for next year fun and adventures, etc etc. You know the fee is $33 now, you've got 10 Scouts and maybe 6 leaders, so you have the $528 ready, possibly hedged about $160 for the increase. BUT WAIT - you will actually need (worst case) $1,600 or an additional $1,072 in total. This will be a shock to the system. Also if it does go to worst case, now new Scouts will need to pony up a big chunk. If you join Tigers with your young-un, and want to be a leader, that will be maybe $200. More if there are Unit dues. Will be tough. Family Scouting will be replaced by Ghost Leaders. We'll sign up the minimum, everyone else is a visiting parent.
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    possible fee increase coming

    We are supposed to recharter around the first weekend of November. Concern is we will not know the fee until maybe a week prior. I know they have said we will hear something about 10/23, but that is the earliest. Our unit has about 100 Scouts and Leaders. Currently that is maybe $3,300 for recharter. If the fee goes to (and this is worst case) $100 per Scout (*Hey - still a bargain!!) we will need to somehow come up with another $6,700. Many families may decide not to continue. Will take a minute to sort all of this out and determine a path forward. Not good planning at all. Between the UNKNOWN FEE and the REVISED BACKGROUND CHECK FORM and the DEPARTURE OF THE LDS UNITS my assumption is that CSE Surbaugh's Bonus and those of the National Staff is clearly tied to how many leave the program 2019 to 2020
  14. Nope, the Scout Executive of the Council is there to raise money first, insure no bad issues make it to the press, meet their own goals for their bonus plan. Waaay down the list is start new Scouting units. The local DE is more in tuned to that effort. The SE (or CEO in many councils) would not be bothered with that. Main help should be the district volunteer staff, but that effectiveness varies widely from district to district.
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    Voice of the Scout surveys

    Only if it fits the already decided upon agenda
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    Limit for Cub Scout nights of camping

    Didn't you mean - Twenty-seven 8-by-10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was, to be used as a Guide to Safe Scouting – even including some aerial photography.
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    Cleaning and Drying a Sleeping Bag

    Sometimes the large industrial washers and dryers do a good job. I have washed some of my synthetic bags that way. Did a down one hand wash and tumbled at the laundry
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    New troop. New opportunity. Advice?

    Read Green Bar Bill Hillcourt's books. That will help
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    How much water?

    Is there a creek or lake nearby you can use for fire, etc? Typically it's about 1 gallon per person per day. If you are staying maybe 48 hours (2 days) with 30 people, I would take 60 gallons. We have camped at sites that do not have potable water there, but it is accessible. So we can refill. Hard part for toting 30 gallons of water is the weight, weighs about 8 lbs per gallon.
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    Pretty sure we know the answers. Surveys are taken to justify and support decisions already made
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    Limit for Cub Scout nights of camping

    So reading the referenced "Pack Overnight Campout Site Appraisal Form", assume you can camp in your backyard, if it's astroturf like the Brady Bunch and nobody is throwing a ball. Anywhere else would be tough. Wonder what the actual definition of "hazards" may be. Would a footbridge, lake, or hill be a hazard?? 1. The camping site is clean and safe from hazards. __________ __________ 2. The site is not located near any natural or manmade hazards. __________ __________ 3. Campsite areas are available for tents. __________ __________ 4. Facilities are available for proper sanitary disposal of garbage. __________ __________ 5. Drinking water from an approved source is provided at convenient locations. __________ __________ 6. Emergency medical services (EMS) are available within 30 minutes from site. __________ __________ 7. Cellular phone service is available. __________ __________ 8. If fires are permitted, an adequate fire lay area is provided. __________ __________ 9. Any individual site hookups provided for electricity, water, or sewer meet all appropriate local and state health codes. __________ __________ 10. Each family site is located within 300 feet of a sanitary toilet facility. __________ __________ 11. Shelter is available for program activities during inclement weather.
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    BSA seems to be going all in on the surveys...wonder if they are learning anything
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    possible fee increase coming

    Agree it could be a cause for concern. Our troop charges $100 annually for dues (no fundraisers), then pay as you go for outings. 9 regular outings that run about $15 each, 1 winter trip that runs about $50, 2 summers camps, each about $350. If a Scout attended all events, it would be $935 annually. Note that most of our leaders contribute the gas used for outings. Meals for outings would be extra. That being said the Scout would have 15 to 16 nights camping for weekends, 12 nights camping at Summer camps. It is a good value. Admittedly if the National Fee goes up maybe $50, that would be a 5% increase if you attend everything, but a 50% increase in our annual dues. It would still be a tough pill to swallow.
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    possible fee increase coming

    Current is $33. Estimates for the new rate vary widely from $45 up to $100. So maybe we start an over under pool In speaking with a DE we mentioned maybe a $20 increase, and he sort of shrugged and said or maybe more.....