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Everything posted by Jameson76

  1. I'm with you on this. WB is not about running program for scouts (though it used to be). Now it is basically billed as a management course and the "ticket" items may help program for scouts/youth. Note that ticket items may be unrelated to actually assisting in program. Billed as the pinnacle of BSA Adult training, but not sure that it what the results may actually be. But...apparently you get a neat pink neckerchief, you can culturally appropriate kilts if you desire, you can freely join the WB cult and drink the kool aid, you get the beads (by the way, Q - how many WB beads does a 100 year old oak tree yield? A- One), you get to become a critter of some sorts, and you get a sense of smugness related to adults scoutery... Well worth the price of admission
  2. Make sure any milestone anniversaries fall at the same time as a High Adventure trip, that's a real crowd pleaser....
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    PLC hazing and bullying problem

    Not to split hairs or lessen the impact, was this a Scouting / Troop sponsored type event or was this just a gathering of youth, some (most??) of whom belong to the troop.
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    PLC hazing and bullying problem

    Not skip the fact, just the public discussion of the occurrences. Just saying that that part may not be a good section to be discussed if the choice is to have the SPL address the troop. Not sure all the troop needs all the details. That does not give a pass at all on his actions or the inactions of the PLC group. This may need to involve a higher level within BSA. As with all disciplinary actions the facts are not typically broadcast or discussed outside the ones involved
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    PLC hazing and bullying problem

    Seems like a good plan. May want to have the SPL be more generic in his mea culpa, just that there was bullying, it is inappropriate, skip the details. Tough one as the PLC was involved and stood by. Good luck
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    Do I need 2 uniforms?

    We wear the "official uniform" in transit to outings. Actually we call it Class A and are just hoping the uniform and or phrase police stop by and try to ticket us. But anyway, when we arrive, the Scouts take off the class A (typically tossing them into the dirt) for setup, activities, etc. Most scouts have the Class B troop t-shirts / summer camp / fleece / hoodies to wear. When we depart everyone is back in the Class A shirts. Also good times with many calls that their Class A shirts have been stolen until someone points to the tan lump under some leaves.
  7. Troop total: 13 outings per year, 40.3 average scouts, 2.3 nights average per outing = (roughly) 1,205 nights of camping last year
  8. I was at summer camp and a couple of WB (dare I say) zealots were hitting it pretty heavy that WB was the end all be all. Told them not doubting it may have some benefit, but in the last 5 years I had been pretty busy as we had doubled the number of scouts attending monthly outings, the troop was exceeding 1,000 nights camping each year, we did 2 summer camps, 1 High adventure trek, did 11 other outdoor activities, had 10 -12 Eagle scouts each year, service projects, etc and really was not sure what WB might do to take us the the next level? I explained my focus was on the unit and delivering program to the Scouts. They did not have a great comeback
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    Tell me about backpacks.

    They go inside. Some have lower pockets for the sleeping bags. The tops are expandable for lighter sleeping pads. Yes the nylon will fall apart after many years. Also the padding breaks down if stored in heat and comes out like little pellets. The newer packs with the internal frames take some getting used to if you are only familiar with the frame ones. Though many have handy nalegene pockets that can be accessed right behind you while hiking. One does have to adjust the straps and the way you load more thoughtfully as they can tend to have the center of weight lower and that can tend to pull you back as opposed to the frame pack which tends to ride higher and can be flatter
  10. Big Iron by Marty Robbins is a crowd pleaser...if you have a stand up bass it really sells it To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say, No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip It was early in the morning when he rode into the town He came riding from the south side, slowly lookin' all around "He's an outlaw loose and runnin'", came a whisper from each lip "And he's here to do some business with a big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip" In this town there lived an outlaw by the name of Texas Red Many men had tried to take him and that many men were dead He was vicious and a killer, though a youth of twenty four And the notches on his pistol numbered one and nineteen more, One and nineteen more Now the stranger started talkin' made it plain to folks around Was an Arizonia ranger, wouldn't be too long in town He was here to take an outlaw back alive or maybe dead And he said it didn't matter that he was after Texas Red, After Texas Red Wasn't long before this story was relayed to Texas Red But the outlaw didn't worry, men who tried before were dead Twenty men had tried to take him, twenty men had made a slip, Twenty one would be the ranger with the big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip Now the morning passed so quickly and it was time for them to meet It was twenty past eleven when they rode out in the street Folks were watchin' from their windows, Every body held their breath, They knew this handsome ranger was about to meet his death, About to meet his death There was twenty feet between them When they stopped to make their play And the swiftness of the Ranger still talked about today Texas Red had not cleared leather when a bullet fairly ripped And the ranger's aim was deadly, with the big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip It was over in a moment and the crowd all gathered 'round There before them lay the body of the outlaw on the ground Oh, he might have went on livin' but he made one fatal slip When he tried to match the ranger with the big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip Big iron, big iron, Oh he tried to match the ranger with the big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip
  11. I have heard that reference and don't get me started on that statement. The two could not be more different in goals, aims, and achievements. I did see one (was a Cub Leader at the time) wonder why there was no knot for WB...I swear that guy slept in his beads...
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    New girls in Scouting

    Note the wording on the infographic: are interested in a program like Cub Scouts for their daughters are interested in a program like Boy Scouts® for their daughters They do not say they are specifically interested in CUBS or SCOUTS...just a program LIKE Scouts. So who knows what sort of program that may be.
  13. First - trying to get a youth to e-mail is tough. Should be a knot for accomplishing that task. We just copy another leader / parent and drive on. That is public and two deep leadership. Gotta deliver the program right? The wizards at National who generate the rules and YPT are governed by lawyers. There are no people involved in this that have worked with an actual unit in at least the last 10 years. If the professional group could raise money and earn salaries without having the bothersome youth around, they would be all in for that
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    Oh Shoot, Worksheets in Cubs

    A chart for tracking exercise seems reasonable. The other parts should be done as part of activities and the Cubs can accomplish FUN things and not know they are doing it. When working with Scouts on Camping Merit Badge we get to requirement 9b and some Scouts are not sure about this one 1. Hike up a mountain where, at some point, you are at least 1,000 feet higher in elevation from where you started. 2. Backpack, snowshoe, or cross-country ski for at least 4 miles. 3. Take a bike trip of at least 15 miles or at least four hours. 4. Take a nonmotorized trip on the water of at least four hours or 5 miles. 5. Plan and carry out an overnight snow camping experience. 6. Rappel down a rappel route of 30 feet or more. Then as I talk with them and we talk about the various outings the troop does they realize they completed these when we did backpacking, our bike outing, or the kayaking trip and did not even realize it.
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    I HATE the new YPT rules

    Agree on Family Scouting Sadly many have lost the focus of Scouting in the rush to "Family" scouting. Scouting was NEVER intended or designed to be a "Family" event or activity. The dens were designed to be "patrols" with the Den Leader as the patrol leader. They are supposed to do things as a group WITHOUT Mom and Dad and family being involved. Go off and do stuff that they experience from THEIR perspective. Over time the family camping, the siblings, etc have lessened that and made it more the circus that Cubs is. Now we can see that creeping into Scouts. We have more focus on advancement and less focus on the journey and the experience. Unfortunately I expect the planned extensions for Eagles will not be the only coming change to requirements.
  16. Note that most of the YPT intent is directed at and intended for Adults to setup barriers for abuse to youth. Some is there youth to youth, but it is YOUTH Protection The original post was about chat groups used by youth to youth. As has been noted, nothing really different than boys talking to boys, just in a new format. We as leaders cannot be expected to monitor and observe all conversations youth to youth whether they be in person, in notes, on text, PM's, phone calls, conference calls, etc. Yes it is about the PLC and if the conversation involved bullying or other topics that needed to be addressed, then same as if the conversation was in person, in notes, on text, PM's, phone calls, conference calls, the leaders could address the issue. If the unit sets up a communication medium (say instagram) then yes that should be moderated, all comments public, etc
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    So to be clear...one can be 17 and 11.5 months and sign up for the BSA, (SA??), on 2/1/2019. Then request an extension to work towards EAGLE and you would have until one was 19 and 11.5 months to get the Eagle (24 months from an extension request). No doubt this will make for some interesting camping and sign off experiences. Not sure how I feel about this
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    Parent in need of advice

    Reminder that all troops may not be able to and equipped to handle the wide range of Scouts that come their way. The leaders are volunteers, and they bring only their experiences with them to their roles. You have identified some issues your son. It appears he has some accommodations that have been worked out with the schools - One such plan was to "check for understanding" similar to his what is implemented at his school There may be some troops that have more experience with these challenges
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    10,000 Girl Cub Scouts

    So true So true. Already the DE's are positing about girls in the "pipeline" and not the actual number of real girls showing up to sign up. One pack in our area had 1 girl come, they are looking at options, DE reported 10+ "interested"
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    New girls in Scouting

    Remember (and you know doubt live this) that unit volunteers and professionals approach this with different agendas Unit volunteers will look to what quality program can I provide to the youth and what is the long term window (hopefully years) for participation with the youth coming to my unit Professionals see youth as a commodity and are mainly interested in the numbers NOW, this month, this year. Goals must be attained. If they can get the money (make the sale / ABC Always Be Closing) and add widgets to the spreadsheet, their job is done Cajoling or bullying a unit is doing what it takes to be successful. No issue with professionals, they are doing what they are being incentivized to do.
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    YPT2 deadline

    Feedback in our unit is the new YPT seems a bit overkill and heavy handed. Seems less the like old one..how to be compliant and adhere to YPT, and has now morphed into selling me that child exploitation is bad, we are likely all on board with that idea. Also children are in danger, predators abound, be fearful, be watchful, be vigilant Wonder how this will play with new leaders, hope it doesn't scare any off
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    New girls in Scouting

    Have fun. If the scouts are not having fun, they will vote with their feet. Keep the helicopter parents in the back and out of the way. Let the youth (with guidance and mentoring) select and be involved with activities that are engaging to them. If the program becomes more school and classwork to get to the vaunted Eagle rank, you will lose many of them Have fun, go outdoors and DO STUFF. Not for advancement sake, not to get this merit badge or that merit badge, because it is fun, challenging, and engaging. The advancement can be a byproduct of what is done, not the main purpose. Go hiking, go climbing, go canoeing, go boating, go through a gorge, go biking, play a wide game, do a lock-in with overnight video games and gym games. Did I mention facilitate HAVING FUN?
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    Three Cub Scouts - school flag duty

    I did the flag thing when I was in elementary school. Principal chose two of us that were in scouts. We put it up in the morning and took it down in the afternoon. Fun part was running out of class when a storm came up...good times in the 6th grade, dodging lightning and what not. Well done young cubs
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    Time between rank

    Who has time for all the record keeping and math?
  25. Not a huge fan of massive troop "rules". Never had one, do not plan to have one. Once you have written "guidelines" one will need to follow them and then you get boxed into a corner. Sort of like the academic zero tolerance policies. Huge difference when a kid goes camping with dad and accidentally leaves an axe in the car as compared to kid who brings a knife to school to settle a score. One must look at intent and hopefully be able to judge and work with kids as individuals. We have a large troop and literally have only one written policy, and that concerns cell phones and it was written this year. Other than that, we try to follow the basic tenants of BSA policy. I mean Good Lord there are two huge tomes, the GTA and GTSS which are both 100+ pages each. If that is not enough for you, not sure an additional document will really help